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(March 19, 2019 at 10:44 am)tackattack Wrote: OK, I'm sorry if I misread between the lines. Thanks for clarifying. Let's go with that.
So for clarity let's see if I got your gist:
So good people are good because the individual acts good, not because he's acted upon by a supernatural God? Religion isn't a source of peace because we see a history of systemic unrest and we don't see a universal religion?
People act on their beliefs, Their beliefs are informed by their experience
Are we in agreement on these three things?
"He's"? Females are also part of our species population.
Um no we are not in agreement.
1. Yes people act on their beliefs. But again, that is not evidence that the source of their behaviors are from a super natural source. It only means they believe that.
2. Yes, their beliefs are informed by their "experiences". But again, filling in the gap is all that is doing. It is assuming an answer, it isn't evidence that it is correct. If a kid gets told the covered olives in the dark kitchen at the Halloween party are eyeballs, that is also an "experience", but the kid is believing they are eyeballs and not olives because they are uninformed and too trusting of the parents putting that idea in their head. With religion, most humans get sold the social norms of their parents prior to formulating adult critical thinking skills. It is very easy for most humans to gap fill, and assume a perception is true when it is not. Again, the ancient Egyptians TRULY AND FALSELY believed in their gods which were never real. The passing of those social norms were real experiences yes, but not real provable gods. One can be told prayer works by others, one can see others believing it, and based on that, falsely buy into what others sell them.
Again you keep missing my point.
Humans do good because we observe them doing good. Humans do bad because we observe them doing bad. Just like a rain storm can provide nutrients to crops, while another storm can produce tornados. But funny how you don't assign either to Thor.
I'm not trying to be pedantic, it was the "royal" he.
So using your own words we can agree that:
1. People act on their beliefs
2. People's beliefs are informed by their "experiences".
3. We observe humans doing good/bad.
So how do you inject cause into this formula? How do you relate Religion into the equation?
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
always working on cleaning my windows- me regarding Johari
