(March 19, 2019 at 3:20 pm)Drich Wrote:(March 19, 2019 at 12:10 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Hello! Anyone home? 'Thomas' literally means 'twin' in Aramaic, as well as greek word Didymus, and as John tells us in 11:16 Then Thomas (also known as Didymus) said to the rest of the disciples, “Let us also go, that we may die with him.”
sport, give me the benefit of the doubt.. If i say something that seems way way too obvious then maybe look a little deeper or ask a question... Thomas being a brother of Christ was a gnostic teaching/pov. however in mark Jesus' sibblings where named James, Joseph (Joses), Judas (Jude), and Simon as brothers of Jesus (Greek: ἀδελφοὶ, translit. adelphoi, lit. 'brothers').[1] Also mentioned, but not named, are sisters of Jesus. Some scholars[who?] argue that these brothers, especially James,[2] held positions of special honor in the .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brothers_of_Jesus
Which again would make all of jesus brother and sister's half brothers and sisters as their father was joseph.
(March 19, 2019 at 3:19 pm)Yonadav Wrote: You're getting desperate.
I didn't present a liberal view. I studied in a Orthodox kollel for several years, for several hours every day. My religious education is of a decidedly non-liberal nature. I have studied Sotah. You are reasoning like a goy. Again, being pregnant is not something that one can be stoned for. The law really is that at most, Joseph would have been able to demand that she drink the bitter waters.
I can't believe that we are arguing about this, because I am certain that you know that people can't be sentenced without witnesses to their crime-- it says that very clearly in the bible.
And the bible really clearly says that a man who suspects his wife of being unfaithful to him has no other recourse than to demand that she drink the bitter waters. You know that.
which is a liberal view. you can't tell me the 1st century orthodoxy would have just turned blind eye. to joseph claiming to never had sex with his wife and behold here she stands pregnant! That's the proof old sport!!! The BABY IS THE PROOF OF ADULTERY!!! Unless! she is in fact still a virgin! Which brings me back to "checking for her hymen" as this would have been a matter of life and death!
That said, you have displayed no evidence to support her pregnancy was not proof that joseph claim would be denied, you have quoted no sources all!! you done so far is attack the messenger/me. All the while I've quoted several sources which puts your interpretation on it's ends,and all you've seem to do is double down on trying to cast doubt on me.
I have asked you for a few citation of which you have failed to produce one to support your liberal views.. all you seem to be interested in is telling everyone how smart you think you are and i guess subsequently means you do not need to provide citation because your study habits..
I have study habits as well and yet seem to be able to provide a link or two when asked.. All I ask of you is that you put in at least 1/2 that efforts. provide one link that supports your extrapolation of the law and applies it with example in 1st century life.
if you are unwilling or unable to do this let this be evidence that there are more conservative views tot he torah than what you currently hold,
No, it's not a liberal view. It's a compliance with the law view. You are thinking like a goy. 'Liberal' is an individual thinking that they can interpret the law however they please. 'Liberal' is believing that you can obey one commandment by breaking several others. Strict compliance with the law isn't about going around killing people just because you're certain that they violated the law.
We do not inherit the world from our parents. We borrow it from our children.