RE: Is God Altruistic? Is God Happy?
March 24, 2019 at 9:10 am
(This post was last modified: March 24, 2019 at 9:22 am by Rogue.)
(March 23, 2019 at 7:03 pm)Belaqua Wrote:(March 23, 2019 at 9:00 am)Rogue Wrote: Is there really someone here trying to argue that Yahweh is emotionless? Wow, just wow. So when the buy-bull says god so loved the world, that was a lie? The important thing to remember about the text is that it says we were made in God's image. Please explain where emotions come from if not from God. Thanks.
I think it is more plausible that God just does not exist. and man created gods in his image.
If you ignore the OT the NT is null and void because the OT prophecies a Messiah. Is there a Messiah or no?
Most theologians of whom I'm aware say that God has no emotions. This is standard in classical theology. The OT is to be read as parables, fables, puzzling stories.
When they say that God loves the world, it's different from saying a person loves another person. They say that God is goodness itself. God emanates the world as an act of goodness. In this way God is behaving like a person who loves you, because he is giving goodness.
The way people love is different. People love by desiring. We desire to be with another person, or we desire her happiness, or we desire her health, etc. This is what we do when we love. God lacks nothing, so he desires nothing. Still, by being only good, he is sending goodness to all.
The main difference is that people are contingent and God is only essence. Contingency means that people are changing, they could be different, they are affected by other things. God, being only essence, is only what he is and has no contingency. Emotions are motions. They are the change of the changeable heart -- but God doesn't move or change.
When Christians say something like "He so loved the world that he gave his only son," the love here just means that God is so good by his essence. Not that he wants something for the world.
This is what theologians say.
I've had trouble getting people to think about God in some way other than the simple Sky-Daddy Tyrant that so many people use, but what I've described here is the theology of Dante and many others.
What do people mean when they say God is jealous as to other gods OR angry over sin? What about Hell? What about the incest (in the beginning)? What about the horrific book of Revelations?
The main point is--> Your description is not biblical. Not. At. All. If the Bible cannot be trusted by it's logos, pathos, and ethos, well, it just cannot be trusted in the claim that Yahweh exists. It cannot be trusted at all. It necessarily follows that Abrahamic religions based on these words cannot be trusted either.
I find it kind of fresh telling me God does not love me but rather is only goodness. That is saying tornadoes are goodness, hurricanes, cancer, evil, incest all of it must be goodness because God can ONLY be goodness and God created those things. See now I'm getting dizzy!

If I trust in my heart/soul to help me discern the attributes of God, He ends up being just like me. What I think is right or wrong so does God. I think religion is bad, so does God. They call that SPAG--> Self Projection As God. I think God is bad, so does God.
If God is "only" goodness, with no emotions, what prompted Him to create this solar system--> with this planet-- with its species--> that kill each other to survive? It is all about survival. Yea I watch a lot of Planet Earth (documentary on BBC) and see creature after creature kill and devour its prey. I see vines choking trees in my forest around my house.
Maybe the problem is theologians are trying to explain the un-explainable. That is probably why the bible makes no sense and why you make no sense, respectfully.
(March 24, 2019 at 6:38 am)Gwaithmir Wrote: A moot topic, since I see no evidence for the existence of God in the first place.
That was not helpful at all.
The OP did not claim that gods exist.
Belief in a Cruel God makes a Crueler Man. Thomas Paine with minor edit crueler instead of cruel.