Do you wish there's a god?

[fredd bear]

Good luck getting that out of him.  He's going to launch into some god based relativism or subjectivism and call it "moral objectivity".

In mere reality, moral realism is both secular and the predominant position of moral theorists.  You are already, likely, a moral realist. Just about everyone is, in practice even if not in thought.  Do you think that there are things about an act that make that act bad, and that those things don;t change even when a persons opinion (or a whole mess of people, like a society or a religion) of that thing does?  Hey presto.  You're a moral realist.

For some odd reason, these nubbins think it takes a ghost, only god knows why, they sure as hell don't.

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Imo humans, in practice lean more towards amorality.

We are inventive and devious creatures. History has taught me that human beings can find moral justification for any action what so ever 

.Concrete examples of Christian morality in action:

 The Crusades; the church preached that was morality/sacred duty of the highest order to go on crusade and kill non believers.. Such a wonderful thing to do; all of your sins would be remitted. Of course people accepted that without question. Not because they were especially stupid, but because they were very gullible AND because it was to their very great personal advantage.

Same thing with burning heretics and stealing their property.

Same with the Nazis convincing their christian-raised Schutzstaffel (SS) that it was a sacred moral duty to murder all jews, everywhere.
The level of the  culpability of the ordinary Germans is still is still debated. I have no issue with the concept of collective guilt**. I recommend the book linked below..

I used Christianity as a convenient example. The same can be said of just about any religion you care to name. I suspect there are some exceptions

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Hitler's Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust is a 1996 book by American writer Daniel Goldhagen, in which he argues that the vast majority of ordinary Germans were "willing executioners" in the Holocaust because of a unique and virulent "eliminationist antisemitism" in German political culture which had developed in the preceding centuries. Goldhagen argues that eliminationist antisemitism was the cornerstone of German national identity, was unique to Germany, and because of it ordinary German conscripts killed Jews willingly. Goldhagen asserts that this mentality grew out of medieval attitudes rooted in religion and was later secularized. 


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler%27s...ecutioners