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[Serious] The Good
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RE: The Good
(March 30, 2019 at 6:27 pm)Belaqua Wrote: This is a very interesting view to me. Largely because it's so different from the ones I've studied before.

First, I admit to knowing nothing at all about the Quran, so if you have the time to show us some of the writing that leads you to your view, I'd enjoy seeing it. 

I will quote the verses from the Quran that led me to this belief; the quoted verses are raw just like they are written in the original book that Muslims  read:

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Quote:https://quran.com/91/7-15?translations=20

Sahih International

(7) And [by] the soul and He who proportioned it

(8) And inspired it [with discernment of] its wickedness and its righteousness,

(9) He has succeeded who purifies it,

(10) And he has failed who instills it [with corruption].


"He" refers to God. This style of reference is used across the Quran.
The wickedness in our hearts is not inspired by Satan: Satan is only a tool God uses, unlike the concept of assuming "two kingdoms one for evil and one for good"; with God leading one and Satan leading the other.

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Quote:https://quran.com/19/83-93?translations=20

Sahih International

(83) Do you not see that We have sent the devils upon the disbelievers, inciting them to [evil] with [constant] incitement?

(84) So be not impatient over them. We only count out to them a [limited] number.

God is the one sending devils upon disbelievers. So a disbeliever is not necessarily "good but lost". His eyes are actually closed by God intentionally from seeing the right path.

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Quote:https://quran.com/67/2?translations=20

Sahih International

(2) [He] who created death and life to test you [as to] which of you is best in deed - and He is the Exalted in Might, the Forgiving -
[url=https://quran.com/67/2-12?translations=20][/url]

He is the creator of death. And that makes God the creator of the misery death brings with it.

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Quote:https://quran.com/67/2?translations=20

Sahih International

(27) And those who disbelieved say, "Why has a sign not been sent down to him from his Lord?" Say, [O Muhammad], "Indeed, Allah leaves astray whom He wills and guides to Himself whoever turns back [to Him] -

He is the one controlling who gets guided to the right path and who is not.

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These are the verses I can remember for now. There are many implicit references across the book that point to the same conclusion. Take the creation of "hell" for example.

Quote:Second, if God creates evil, I wonder about the long-term view of things. For example, some people might say that the evil is in the world to lead, in the end, to greater good. This is a view you sometime see among Christians (e.g. Milton) that the Fall from Eden was a necessary evil for bringing about the eventual fulfillment of human's potential.
Personally; I believe Islam links everything to "the will of God". In other words; we only live to do his will:
Quote:https://quran.com/67/2?translations=20

Sahih International

(56) And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me.

(57) I do not want from them any provision, nor do I want them to feed Me.

(58) Indeed, it is Allah who is the [continual] Provider, the firm possessor of strength.

Despite this concept being "hard on the dignity to swallow"; we are needing food to survive, we are subject to the laws of physics, we are subject to the environment of this planet, we do live to worship God: if we cease to do it we perish.
Falling from heaven was the start point of our timed test. When Adam and Eve ate from the tree; they sinned against God but they prayed, so they were given a second chance to prove that they are loyal to him. Their second chance is this life on this planet; we live and die then wake up in judgement day to be trialed for what we did in this test.
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The Good - by Belacqua - March 29, 2019 at 5:41 am
RE: The Good - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 29, 2019 at 6:09 am
RE: The Good - by Belacqua - March 29, 2019 at 6:15 am
RE: The Good - by Acrobat - March 29, 2019 at 9:22 am
RE: The Good - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 29, 2019 at 6:27 am
RE: The Good - by Angrboda - March 29, 2019 at 7:47 am
RE: The Good - by Belacqua - March 29, 2019 at 8:21 am
RE: The Good - by Angrboda - March 29, 2019 at 9:47 am
RE: The Good - by Belacqua - March 29, 2019 at 6:37 pm
RE: The Good - by arewethereyet - March 29, 2019 at 6:39 pm
RE: The Good - by Angrboda - March 30, 2019 at 4:41 am
RE: The Good - by Belacqua - March 30, 2019 at 5:15 am
RE: The Good - by Angrboda - March 30, 2019 at 5:47 am
RE: The Good - by brewer - March 30, 2019 at 8:01 am
RE: The Good - by Belacqua - March 30, 2019 at 6:38 pm
RE: The Good - by brewer - March 30, 2019 at 8:03 pm
RE: The Good - by Belacqua - March 30, 2019 at 8:12 pm
RE: The Good - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 29, 2019 at 8:56 am
RE: The Good - by The Grand Nudger - March 29, 2019 at 10:04 am
RE: The Good - by brewer - March 29, 2019 at 10:15 am
RE: The Good - by The Grand Nudger - March 29, 2019 at 10:18 am
RE: The Good - by brewer - March 29, 2019 at 10:31 am
RE: The Good - by LastPoet - March 29, 2019 at 12:02 pm
RE: The Good - by Belacqua - March 29, 2019 at 6:40 pm
RE: The Good - by arewethereyet - March 29, 2019 at 9:14 pm
RE: The Good - by Belacqua - March 29, 2019 at 9:17 pm
RE: The Good - by The Grand Nudger - March 29, 2019 at 12:09 pm
RE: The Good - by downbeatplumb - March 29, 2019 at 12:11 pm
RE: The Good - by LadyForCamus - March 29, 2019 at 12:24 pm
RE: The Good - by Acrobat - March 29, 2019 at 12:55 pm
RE: The Good - by Fake Messiah - March 29, 2019 at 1:02 pm
RE: The Good - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 29, 2019 at 1:33 pm
RE: The Good - by Yonadav - March 29, 2019 at 1:28 pm
RE: The Good - by brewer - March 29, 2019 at 3:23 pm
RE: The Good - by Stoneheart - March 29, 2019 at 6:46 pm
RE: The Good - by Fake Messiah - March 29, 2019 at 11:32 pm
RE: The Good - by Stoneheart - March 30, 2019 at 12:46 am
RE: The Good - by Fake Messiah - March 30, 2019 at 1:23 am
RE: The Good - by Belacqua - March 30, 2019 at 5:54 am
RE: The Good - by Angrboda - March 30, 2019 at 6:15 am
RE: The Good - by Belacqua - March 30, 2019 at 6:36 am
RE: The Good - by Angrboda - March 30, 2019 at 6:48 am
RE: The Good - by The Grand Nudger - March 29, 2019 at 3:44 pm
RE: The Good - by Yonadav - March 29, 2019 at 4:11 pm
RE: The Good - by The Grand Nudger - March 29, 2019 at 4:14 pm
RE: The Good - by brewer - March 29, 2019 at 5:09 pm
RE: The Good - by Yonadav - March 29, 2019 at 5:47 pm
RE: The Good - by The Grand Nudger - March 29, 2019 at 10:07 pm
RE: The Good - by brewer - March 29, 2019 at 10:27 pm
RE: The Good - by Belacqua - March 29, 2019 at 10:59 pm
RE: The Good - by WinterHold - March 30, 2019 at 2:57 am
RE: The Good - by Belacqua - March 30, 2019 at 6:27 pm
RE: The Good - by WinterHold - March 30, 2019 at 10:04 pm
RE: The Good - by Belacqua - March 31, 2019 at 12:56 am
RE: The Good - by WinterHold - April 3, 2019 at 6:38 am
RE: The Good - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2019 at 9:51 am
RE: The Good - by Angrboda - March 30, 2019 at 6:35 pm
RE: The Good - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2019 at 6:42 pm
RE: The Good - by Angrboda - March 30, 2019 at 6:47 pm
RE: The Good - by Acrobat - March 30, 2019 at 7:26 pm
RE: The Good - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2019 at 6:54 pm
RE: The Good - by Angrboda - March 30, 2019 at 6:57 pm
RE: The Good - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2019 at 7:00 pm
RE: The Good - by Angrboda - March 30, 2019 at 7:21 pm
RE: The Good - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2019 at 7:25 pm
RE: The Good - by Angrboda - March 30, 2019 at 7:33 pm
RE: The Good - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2019 at 7:31 pm
RE: The Good - by Acrobat - March 30, 2019 at 8:56 pm
RE: The Good - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2019 at 7:41 pm
RE: The Good - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2019 at 9:06 pm
RE: The Good - by Angrboda - March 31, 2019 at 1:48 am
RE: The Good - by The Grand Nudger - April 3, 2019 at 9:37 am



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