(March 28, 2019 at 11:13 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(March 28, 2019 at 8:25 am)Drich Wrote: How is it 'self interest' if it is the truth? Is expecting people to seek and follow the truth selfish? While helping people on a global scale such as God does, is it wrong to expect people to act and understand who and how God works if for no other reason than to be counter productive to what it is God is doing?
We seem to be at cross-purposes. Truth or falsity has nothing to do with self interest, and you seem to be having trouble distinguishing between 'selfish' and 'self interest'. Furthermore, I'm not saying that God's described behaviour is wrong or inimical in any way, merely that it isn't altruistic. God expects things in return for his help, which is the antithesis of altruism. It may be perfectly reasonable for God to 'expect people to act and understand who and how God works' in order for God to help them. But the very expectation precludes altruism.
Suppose I give a homeless person $10 000. If I hand it to him, and walk away and never think about it again, that's altruism. If I hand him the money and say, 'You have to spend this on food, housing and medical care', it's still a gift that accomplishes some good, but it isn't altruistic. ANYthing with conditions attached - no matter how reasonable those conditions are - cannot, by definition, be altruistic.
Boru
1. See the post I made before this one,as it address your character fault in identifying altruism as being a prepackaged gift.
2. if you give a man 10k without any though before or after you could very well be his murderer. Maybe to those who do not like to think or be responsible for other altrusim begins and ends with nothing more than a monetary gesture, when in truth this is a self serving self aggrandizing act. Because you do not know how 100K would help or hurt this man..
There was a justin timber lake movie that illustrates this this it iwas a futurist movie where all currency was based on time. everyone had a bio clock on their arm that counted down to their death... whell here let me see if I can find a clip.
in the movie will/justin has a looser buddy (leonard from big bang) leonard his a drunk and braggart. so as you see in the clip will is given 100+ years which is like a billion dollars so he lke you suggests gives his buddy 25 years where he goes and promptly goes straight to the bar despite all the bill his family owes and the limite time his wife has on her clock leonard goes to the bar and drinks himself to death with decades on his life clock. (you can still die of things with time on your clock, which the clock can not account for.)
Now according to you this is what altruism is. to give without thought or regard to the individual as you assume everyone just need money to make their lives better when in fact if you ever bother to truly work with the poor you would know money is why they are poor, rather their inability to manage it rather than the money managing them. Meaning in most situations giving a truly poor person a ton of cash is like giving a starving person al the bread they can eat. meaning they would kill themselves eating.
True altruism is giving you what you need when you need it so as to progress your life to the end goal of eternal life with God. it is knowing when to hold back and when to open the floodgates it is also knowing when opening the floodgates would drown the person rather than helping them!
Which is exactly what God does, which is why I was asking for specific examples of God not being altruistic. rather than a diagnosis on whether you think I can contemplate the ter or not.