Is God Altruistic? Is God Happy?

[Drich]

and again.. I use my self as the example where I hated the idea of God for many of the reason I see on this website. but above all else I wanted the truth. I was shown the truth despite my own efforts. I wanted to fight God. I remember hearing a story about God wrestling with/fighting some guy in the old testament all night long, and God had to break his hip in order to bring the fight to an end. If I prayed a prayer it was if you give me that opportunity I will kick your ass and spit in your eye. Not exactly the lords prayer.. not exactly a prayer. But God showed me the truth anyway.

Want a biblical example of the same type of disbelief till God moved first?
Surly you know of doubting Thomas. One of the inner 12 Thomas after the execution of Christ like the other scattered and fled as they too where being hunted. Peter called a meeting of the remaining 12 to a home in the city center, thomas had trouble getting there. while the other 10 where there Jesus came and spoke. then left. shortly there after thomas arrived and heard what just happened from the other 10 and their hosts. thomas refused to believe till God provided proof enough for him to believe. what did God do? He met that request.

Jesus said blessed who can just believe and that things on faith, meaning to those who can just live on faith are or will receive reward, for everyone else God is simply waiting for your invitation.

This is why I have trouble minding the gap as your pointed out. I don't see one. as far as I can see Jesus waiting for your invatation is no different than you having to sign up for government assistence or in a church pantry sign up for food assistance.

You still aren't getting it.  There is nothing wrong with God waiting for an invitation, neither logically nor theologically.  God has every right to demand that people ask him for help before he offers it, and I never said otherwise.

But that demand, by virtue of the fact that it exists, renders everything God does as non-altruistic.  Why?  Because your definition said altruism requires disinterest.  God is clearly interested, therefore, God is not altruistic.  This doesn't mean that God is mean or vile or hateful or burdensome (there are other arguments for that).  All it means is that God expects something in return for his help.  I don't have a problem with that.

I think you're missing the point about the Incredulity of Thomas.  Jesus provided direct, physical proof of his claims.  Don't you find it odd that he no longer does that?

Boru

MY WHOLE TESTIMONY SAYS HE STILL DOES!!!!

I was given exactly what I needed to establish and maintain my faith!!!

Thomas needed to physically see Jesus.. As he knew him and follow and was with everyday for like 3 years. You don't If jesus took out his shlong and smacked you in the mouth with it you would not know him from me or adam. So what would be the point of him showing you his wounds or scars (seeings how he could heal others He would have healed himself at some point in the last 2000 years!) you'd be like so what, there is this guy in WWI who was shot in the stomach and lived with an open hole into his digestive tract... This is not evidence to you any more. You have a specific thing or area of your life that only God knows of and can not only reach but bring to light in such a way that you and only you know you are speaking to God.

I needed to stand before God an take a swing. I was placed before Christ in my dream and all of the passages that says ever knee shall bow and every toungue confess made sense to me then I understood that it was not something forced, but it was the obvious truth and you now could see and understand god in such a ways as never having done so before. once the reality of who and what God was, not only brought me to my knees it took me the rest of the way down face first in the dirt.

For gary senesie (lieutenant Dan) in his new book, a grateful american God needed to appear not in a fight or wounded but answered him with such blessing and undeserved opportunity which allowed him to follow and accomplish everything he ever wanted, brought him to God in such a way as to change his life from acting to serving God and country with helping vets and first responders. But again another example of a person who knew nothing of God and was given so much he in turn sought God out so that he may give thanks and worship. He said he simply saw too much devine prav nuance to know it was not just happening on a whim. (he even quotes forret speech t jenny) when describing all of this.

What you thin I don't get is that God can give before the worship and praise starts.i have given you a biblical example my own example andan example of a celebrity as taken from his own autobiography. Your theology, is what is in error. God offers this same gift to all. what is so hard to understand that? is personal experience or your perception what is keeping you from understanding or accepting what i have said?

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Does not follow sport.
We are not talking about the neighbors kids or any neutral group.
God's offer does not or is not reserved for christians or people sitting on the fence, when I say God gifts are offered to those who belong to satan think isis or taliban and their followers and family.
Can you say you do things for the children of ISIS members all of the time? which is why your example does not follow the example I gave.

What doesn't follow, drich?  Altruism doesn't have anything to do with who the kids belong to, or if the kids belong to assholes.  If i did things for isis kids, that wouldn't be any more altruistic than doing things for the neighbors kids.  

That...is not....what altruism....refers to.

your chasing your own tail. sort this mess and get back to me as you are contradicting yourself