(October 8, 2011 at 12:35 am)Pendragon Wrote:(October 7, 2011 at 8:51 am)Rhythm Wrote: Except that math isn't actually happening in your mind. You're translating observations with your mind, using what should be a sterile language called numbers. If you're skeptical about physics, (as some sort of product of the human mind entirely) then your skepticism is misplaced. Be skeptical that we have the correct values, that the variables are all accounted for.
Ok, lets count snowflakes. Fairly simple. As we know each snowflake is different (as far as we can tell.) One snowflake never equals another snowflake. (But in math 1 always equals 1) We need an equal snowflake to get 2. Sorry, no dice.
We are also not certain when the very first snowflake fell. That would logically be 1. The next would be 1+(unique properties), as each is the first of its kind that ever fell. And so on. Not so simple. We only have one snowflake. The rest are snowflakes #1 each its own. Can a sterile language have just 1 bit? Guess it does. And quite a few issues accounting for all the variables.
The other issue is more bothersome for atheists. What kind of physical (objective)world includes a language? If humans no longer exist, who shall hear this language. If it is objective, and not in our heads, something out there must be speaking (dry sterile language)
I don't believe in a universe that talks. Sounds like god issues to me.
The bullshit you spew is more akin to numerology than mathematics. Please stop tearing apart straw men ("We need an equal snowflake to get 2. Sorry, no dice.", "That would logically be 1", and your insistence that math is a language).
We CAN count snowflakes. The first snowflake is one snowflake. Add another, and you have two snowflakes. Sure, you've lost a bit of information, but it isn't information you were interested in if you only wanted the number of snowflakes.
