(April 16, 2019 at 1:17 pm)Drich Wrote:(April 16, 2019 at 6:47 am)Rogue Wrote: Since God decides who goes to Hell, he owns you. That means God is not altruistic.Ah, abandoning the first argument i see.. remember you wanted my full attention now you have it and what do you do? you abandon ship and are trying to attack from a different position. what a intellectually dishonest thing you have done. can't even concede the previous argument before moving on to this one.
so how shall i defang you here with this statement?
how about the obvious truth. God Invites the world to goto heaven. again truest form of altruism, to be given such an oppertunity having done nothing to earn such a gift, yet the opportunity is yours. Now who goes to heaven/moves on to his perfect creation accept his invitation. In a similar manor when we do not choose to go to heaven You/we elect Hell. God simply holds us to our choice.
Why because not everyone wants to go to heaven, and God will certainly not drag you into his court kicking and screaming. Some truly feel it is better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven. God is allowing your kingdom in hell if you prefer it.
Therefore God is altruistic. Giving you a gift you can not earn allowing those who would except it the keys to creation and eternity future, and those who do not want any part of it, the space and separation from God and creation they want to have.
what else you got?
how will you shift the goal posts this time?
If you are going to attack me, the least you can do is name the first argument. I am certain it was like this:
P1- God owns everything
P2- You cannot be altruistic when you do something for your own (i.e. mow your lawn, take care of your kids, etc.)
P3- God owns everything
C1- God cannot be altruistic.
You can find it here: https://atheistforums.org/thread-58633-p...pid1897151 It simply says this: "Since God decides who goes to Hell, he owns you. That means God is not altruistic."
My argument has not changed. I can now see you do not debate with integrity. Maybe you should pray for some and see how that goes.
Parents say clean your room or be grounded. If the child chooses not to clean their room, it does not change who the parents are. It makes the parents mad, so they punish you. The parents can kick the kid out, punish them in all kinds of ways, but they are STILL THE PARENTS.
Belief in a Cruel God makes a Crueler Man. Thomas Paine with minor edit crueler instead of cruel.