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Nondualism vs Dualism
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RE: Nondualism vs Dualism
(April 16, 2019 at 10:22 pm)Won2blv Wrote: After opening my consciousness with Ayahuasca and other psychedelics, I realized why there are so many paradoxes in science and the spiritual. I don't mean "supernatural" when I say spiritual. I'm more talking about a general personal experience held by each individual that constitutes their own personal truth. Each individual has their own universal reality where the unseen and the seen weave themselves together. We're all pretty much the same creature with the same basic needs, yet we all have something about ourselves that makes us a unique person.

This is where I see the opening to the why the paradoxes exist. Its because we are one nondualistic  cosmic creature. There is one divine all and we are a piece of it the same as a liver cell is a piece of a human. But we are also built by little bits and pieces of bits of pieces of bits and pieces. So of course we experience a feeling of separation from our divine union with the universe, or what I call God.

I believe that in our pre-existence (pre-bigbang) we existed as 1 solid entity built upon two perfectly symbiotic states of matter. I believe this entity held consciousness and consciously killed itself in order for more creation to spring forth. I also believe that we have the history of our making from the big bang until present written in our DNA.

Even if you think I'm full of shit, I'm curious what y'all believe concerning dualism vs nondualism. I say both

I have taken Ayahuasca (long before it became a 'shamanistic tourist' thing), 'heroic' doses of mushrooms, LSD when it still had some strength and purity, San Pedro cactus (same chemical makeup as Peyote, grows wildly all over Los Angeles), and DMT.

I had similar experiences as you had, 'one with the universe' perceptions, part of a cosmic whole, a divine all, etc. On DMT, I had experiences that we were part of a single organism before the big bang, etc. I even met the DMT entities and elves, that communicated this to me.

These were all incredibly important and profound experiences for me, and probably changed my life for the better. But here's the thing, why should I believe they actually pointed to some underlying reality (as that clown, Jordan Peterson would say, the metaphysical substrate)? Just because they felt real at the time? Because other people report similar experiences? They were powerful and positive? They were life changing? They have a shamanistic history, with archeological rock carvings and 1000's of year old rituals?

Please support your contention that your experiences, not matter how powerful they were, actually reflect some underlying reality?

Why would you trust your drastically altered perceptions while on Ayahuasca, more than when when in your normal brain state? Alcoholics, heroin addicts, meth addicts, crack addicts all hallucinate. They all have experiences that feel real at the time. How are am I able to discern that your Ayahuasca experiences reflect some existing 'metaphysical substrate', but those with hallucinatory experiences from these other drugs, do not?

For that matter, how am I able to differentiate my powerful and positive Ayahuasca experiences, that I understand are most likely caused by my altered brain state, but don't reflect and underlying reality, from your positive and powerful experiences that you claim do point to some underlying reality? Which one of us is most likely adding unsupported claims to our experiences?

Quote:own personal truth

This short phrase, as far as I can tell, is absolute nonsense.

We don't all have our own 'personal truth', if by "truth", you mean, that which best reflects reality. Truth, using this definition, can be demonstrated. Can you demonstrate your 'personal truth'? If you can't demonstrate it, how are you able to differentiate it from the 'personal truth' of a schizophrenic?

If you are using a different definition, please tell me.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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Nondualism vs Dualism - by Won2blv - April 16, 2019 at 10:22 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 16, 2019 at 10:39 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by vulcanlogician - April 16, 2019 at 10:44 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Won2blv - April 17, 2019 at 3:12 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Alan V - April 17, 2019 at 4:50 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by brewer - April 17, 2019 at 4:54 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Won2blv - April 24, 2019 at 5:04 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Succubus - April 24, 2019 at 8:31 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Won2blv - April 25, 2019 at 5:21 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Alan V - April 25, 2019 at 7:37 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Alan V - April 25, 2019 at 9:23 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Belacqua - April 16, 2019 at 10:49 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 16, 2019 at 10:55 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Alan V - April 16, 2019 at 10:57 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by brewer - April 17, 2019 at 9:02 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Peebo-Thuhlu - April 17, 2019 at 10:53 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Acrobat - April 17, 2019 at 12:26 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Rahn127 - April 17, 2019 at 1:18 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 17, 2019 at 3:25 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Succubus - April 17, 2019 at 4:31 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Lemon Curry - April 17, 2019 at 7:49 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Rahn127 - April 17, 2019 at 9:03 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by chimp3 - April 17, 2019 at 9:17 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Angrboda - April 17, 2019 at 11:55 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Rahn127 - April 18, 2019 at 1:27 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Lemon Curry - April 20, 2019 at 4:30 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Simon Moon - April 20, 2019 at 9:12 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Won2blv - April 24, 2019 at 5:20 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Simon Moon - April 27, 2019 at 3:00 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Won2blv - April 29, 2019 at 1:54 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Simon Moon - April 29, 2019 at 4:21 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Won2blv - April 29, 2019 at 8:41 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Simon Moon - April 30, 2019 at 4:01 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Won2blv - May 1, 2019 at 2:07 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Simon Moon - May 1, 2019 at 7:34 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Won2blv - May 2, 2019 at 2:04 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by brewer - April 27, 2019 at 10:24 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by brewer - April 20, 2019 at 10:39 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2019 at 5:09 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2019 at 5:42 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 26, 2019 at 12:19 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Dmitry1983 - April 26, 2019 at 2:43 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Succubus - April 26, 2019 at 2:55 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 26, 2019 at 3:02 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - April 26, 2019 at 4:01 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Dmitry1983 - April 26, 2019 at 4:45 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Peebo-Thuhlu - April 26, 2019 at 4:57 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Angrboda - April 26, 2019 at 9:37 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 26, 2019 at 9:30 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 26, 2019 at 9:48 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Alan V - April 26, 2019 at 1:58 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Amarok - April 26, 2019 at 10:41 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - April 27, 2019 at 9:34 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Pat Mustard - April 27, 2019 at 12:49 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - April 27, 2019 at 1:34 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - April 27, 2019 at 7:54 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Angrboda - April 28, 2019 at 9:50 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - April 28, 2019 at 10:50 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Angrboda - April 28, 2019 at 10:53 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - April 28, 2019 at 12:21 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Angrboda - April 29, 2019 at 8:25 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - April 29, 2019 at 9:16 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - April 29, 2019 at 9:38 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - April 30, 2019 at 9:01 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - April 30, 2019 at 11:04 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 1, 2019 at 9:02 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - May 1, 2019 at 10:39 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Simon Moon - May 1, 2019 at 11:04 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Angrboda - May 1, 2019 at 6:12 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - May 1, 2019 at 6:20 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 1, 2019 at 9:40 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Peebo-Thuhlu - May 1, 2019 at 9:52 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - May 1, 2019 at 10:10 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 2, 2019 at 6:02 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - May 2, 2019 at 8:44 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 2, 2019 at 11:04 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - May 2, 2019 at 11:22 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 2, 2019 at 1:43 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Peebo-Thuhlu - May 2, 2019 at 2:07 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - May 2, 2019 at 2:17 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 2, 2019 at 2:37 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - May 2, 2019 at 3:20 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 2, 2019 at 4:48 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - May 2, 2019 at 4:57 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Simon Moon - May 6, 2019 at 8:58 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 6, 2019 at 6:33 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Peebo-Thuhlu - May 6, 2019 at 8:26 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Angrboda - May 7, 2019 at 1:49 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 7, 2019 at 9:48 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Peebo-Thuhlu - May 6, 2019 at 9:37 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Angrboda - April 30, 2019 at 11:51 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Amarok - April 28, 2019 at 1:48 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Brian37 - April 28, 2019 at 11:06 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 29, 2019 at 9:03 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Peebo-Thuhlu - May 1, 2019 at 10:42 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Rahn127 - May 1, 2019 at 1:27 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - May 1, 2019 at 2:14 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Rahn127 - May 1, 2019 at 10:48 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Rahn127 - May 6, 2019 at 7:41 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 6, 2019 at 9:05 pm

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