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Nondualism vs Dualism
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RE: Nondualism vs Dualism
(April 17, 2019 at 4:50 pm)Thoreauvian Wrote:
(April 17, 2019 at 3:12 pm)Won2blv Wrote: I believe that in our pre-existence (pre-bigbang) we existed as 1 solid entity built upon two perfectly symbiotic states of matter. I believe this entity held consciousness and consciously killed itself in order for more creation to spring forth. I also believe that we have the history of our making from the big bang until present written in our DNA.

I base that belief [on] personal conscious experience

Um, I base the rejection of your belief on my personal conscious experience.  

So where do you plan to go from here?

Thats fine with me. Its just a narrative of creation that I know some humans crave to know. Its hard to share spiritual experiences with heavily skeptical thinkers. Sometimes those militant skeptics forget that personal experience and perspective are relative to the individual user. Just because I saw these things with my eyes closed doesn't mean I didn't really see them. In fact they have just given me more faith that consciousness has existed since the beginning of time.

(April 17, 2019 at 7:49 pm)Lemon Curry Wrote:
(April 16, 2019 at 10:22 pm)Won2blv Wrote: I believe that in our pre-existence (pre-bigbang) we existed as 1 solid entity built upon two perfectly symbiotic states of matter. I believe this entity held consciousness and consciously killed itself in order for more creation to spring forth. I also believe that we have the history of our making from the big bang until present written in our DNA.

Even if you think I'm full of shit, I'm curious what y'all believe concerning dualism vs nondualism. I say both

Big bang, AFAIK, covers the expansion of the Universe from a singularity through to its large-scale evolution.

Strictly speaking, time only began at the formation of the singularity.  Therefore, to use the term 'pre-big bang' is invalid and has no meaning.

In addition, before time began, space did not exist.  Therefore, the pre-big bang matter of which you speak cannot have existed because the space required to contain the matter didn't exist. 

Penrose, relatively recently, argued that time, pre-big bang, did indeed exist since the mathematics allows for this.  However, he also argues that time differences, pre-big bang, didn't exist.  Just when I had all my ducks in a line too.

Man, that was some trip you went on.

I ask this in earnest, if matter cannot be created or destroyed, then was all matter created in one single event post-big bang?
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Messages In This Thread
Nondualism vs Dualism - by Won2blv - April 16, 2019 at 10:22 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 16, 2019 at 10:39 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by vulcanlogician - April 16, 2019 at 10:44 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Won2blv - April 17, 2019 at 3:12 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Alan V - April 17, 2019 at 4:50 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by brewer - April 17, 2019 at 4:54 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Won2blv - April 24, 2019 at 5:04 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Succubus - April 24, 2019 at 8:31 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Won2blv - April 25, 2019 at 5:21 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Alan V - April 25, 2019 at 7:37 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Alan V - April 25, 2019 at 9:23 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Belacqua - April 16, 2019 at 10:49 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 16, 2019 at 10:55 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Alan V - April 16, 2019 at 10:57 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by brewer - April 17, 2019 at 9:02 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Peebo-Thuhlu - April 17, 2019 at 10:53 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Acrobat - April 17, 2019 at 12:26 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Rahn127 - April 17, 2019 at 1:18 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 17, 2019 at 3:25 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Succubus - April 17, 2019 at 4:31 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Lemon Curry - April 17, 2019 at 7:49 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Rahn127 - April 17, 2019 at 9:03 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by chimp3 - April 17, 2019 at 9:17 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Angrboda - April 17, 2019 at 11:55 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Rahn127 - April 18, 2019 at 1:27 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Lemon Curry - April 20, 2019 at 4:30 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Simon Moon - April 20, 2019 at 9:12 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Won2blv - April 24, 2019 at 5:20 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Simon Moon - April 27, 2019 at 3:00 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Won2blv - April 29, 2019 at 1:54 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Simon Moon - April 29, 2019 at 4:21 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Won2blv - April 29, 2019 at 8:41 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Simon Moon - April 30, 2019 at 4:01 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Won2blv - May 1, 2019 at 2:07 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Simon Moon - May 1, 2019 at 7:34 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Won2blv - May 2, 2019 at 2:04 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by brewer - April 27, 2019 at 10:24 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by brewer - April 20, 2019 at 10:39 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2019 at 5:09 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2019 at 5:42 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 26, 2019 at 12:19 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Dmitry1983 - April 26, 2019 at 2:43 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Succubus - April 26, 2019 at 2:55 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 26, 2019 at 3:02 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - April 26, 2019 at 4:01 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Dmitry1983 - April 26, 2019 at 4:45 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Peebo-Thuhlu - April 26, 2019 at 4:57 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Angrboda - April 26, 2019 at 9:37 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 26, 2019 at 9:30 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 26, 2019 at 9:48 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Alan V - April 26, 2019 at 1:58 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Amarok - April 26, 2019 at 10:41 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - April 27, 2019 at 9:34 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Pat Mustard - April 27, 2019 at 12:49 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - April 27, 2019 at 1:34 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - April 27, 2019 at 7:54 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Angrboda - April 28, 2019 at 9:50 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - April 28, 2019 at 10:50 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Angrboda - April 28, 2019 at 10:53 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - April 28, 2019 at 12:21 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Angrboda - April 29, 2019 at 8:25 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - April 29, 2019 at 9:16 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - April 29, 2019 at 9:38 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - April 30, 2019 at 9:01 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - April 30, 2019 at 11:04 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 1, 2019 at 9:02 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - May 1, 2019 at 10:39 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Simon Moon - May 1, 2019 at 11:04 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Angrboda - May 1, 2019 at 6:12 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - May 1, 2019 at 6:20 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 1, 2019 at 9:40 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Peebo-Thuhlu - May 1, 2019 at 9:52 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - May 1, 2019 at 10:10 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 2, 2019 at 6:02 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - May 2, 2019 at 8:44 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 2, 2019 at 11:04 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - May 2, 2019 at 11:22 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 2, 2019 at 1:43 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Peebo-Thuhlu - May 2, 2019 at 2:07 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - May 2, 2019 at 2:17 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 2, 2019 at 2:37 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - May 2, 2019 at 3:20 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 2, 2019 at 4:48 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - May 2, 2019 at 4:57 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Simon Moon - May 6, 2019 at 8:58 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 6, 2019 at 6:33 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Peebo-Thuhlu - May 6, 2019 at 8:26 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Angrboda - May 7, 2019 at 1:49 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 7, 2019 at 9:48 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Peebo-Thuhlu - May 6, 2019 at 9:37 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Angrboda - April 30, 2019 at 11:51 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Amarok - April 28, 2019 at 1:48 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Brian37 - April 28, 2019 at 11:06 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 29, 2019 at 9:03 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Peebo-Thuhlu - May 1, 2019 at 10:42 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Rahn127 - May 1, 2019 at 1:27 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - May 1, 2019 at 2:14 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Rahn127 - May 1, 2019 at 10:48 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Rahn127 - May 6, 2019 at 7:41 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 6, 2019 at 9:05 pm

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