Anyone else ready for our first gay president?

[Deesse23]

Per definition, those two things exclude each other.

Evidence please

No, they are not mutually exclusive.  A person can behave in an immoral fashion and still behave in a moral fashion at other times.  Every person on this planet does that every single day.  We've all done wrong things at one point or another, and we've all done good things at one point or another.  They do not exclude one another.

You can look up Hillary Clinton's positions yourself.  And you can see some of the legislation that members of her party in New York & Virginia have put in place to make abortion up to the moment of birth and even immediately after birth...legal.  That's all publicly available information, and I believe YouTube videos of some of those discussions are available.

You originally said

But when your choices are between an immoral man who wants to do good for the country and avoid the legal murder of children vs. an immoral woman

"Immoral person"does not equal "person who did something immoral". You are backpedaling. Otherwise please explain how an immoral man can "behave in a moral fashion at times".

So, no an "immoral person" wont do good for the country if its not by accident, by the very nature of his/her character, which is fundamentally different from being a person who does immoral things, which basically applies to all of us. Now, comparing Trump, an immoral, or at least amoral person through and through, with Clinton, and saying you prefer Trump says a lot more about you than about Trump or Clinton, since their characters are already well known and documented (not saying Clinton is a very pleasant one, but nowhere near the ballpark of Trump).


The truth is, you dont give a fuck about who is an immoral character or not. Trump could be a mass murderer (and he already hinted at this with his famous quote about shooting people on 5th avenue iirc). As long as he supports a position that is important to you, you will give him carte blanche. The end justifies the means, thats your position, and in the end all the immorality will be forgiven, so it really doesnt matter, does it?