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Nondualism vs Dualism
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RE: Nondualism vs Dualism
(April 24, 2019 at 8:31 pm)Succubus Wrote:
(April 24, 2019 at 5:04 pm)Won2blv Wrote: I ask this in earnest, if matter cannot be created or destroyed, then was all matter created in one single event post-big bang?

Did you just shot yourself in the foot?
There was no matter immediately post big bang there was only energy. Matter did not form until the universe cooled down.

So matter was some other form before it was formed in the universe post-big bang. That means its possible consciousness existed in a pre-matter form?

(April 25, 2019 at 9:23 am)Thoreauvian Wrote:
(April 24, 2019 at 5:04 pm)Won2blv Wrote: Thats fine with me. Its just a narrative of creation that I know some humans crave to know. Its hard to share spiritual experiences with heavily skeptical thinkers. Sometimes those militant skeptics forget that personal experience and perspective are relative to the individual user. Just because I saw these things with my eyes closed doesn't mean I didn't really see them. In fact they have just given me more faith that consciousness has existed since the beginning of time.

Actually, my specific experiences with lucid dreaming which led me to become a skeptic occurred when I was still a believer in a pantheistic God.  What I found out with a bit of experimentation within my lucid dreams was that my dream content was highly influenced by my expectations for that content.  Extrapolating that to "mystical visions" in general, which occur in similar altered states, you can't assume such visions are veridical of anything.  In other words, my experiences with lucid dreaming ended up completely undercutting my interest in mysticism.  When I read accounts from dreaming and consciousness science which made better sense of my experiences than mysticism did, I gave up mysticism.

My experience with ayahuasca has lead me to believe that there is a higher power out there and it is possible to learn from that high power however we choose to open our mind to it. There is some kind of living consciousness that is living in the soul of the ayahuasca plant, and it somehow speaks to the human soul in any way that the human is open to perceiving the message. But it can only be backed up by personal experience
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Nondualism vs Dualism - by Won2blv - April 16, 2019 at 10:22 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 16, 2019 at 10:39 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by vulcanlogician - April 16, 2019 at 10:44 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Won2blv - April 17, 2019 at 3:12 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Alan V - April 17, 2019 at 4:50 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by brewer - April 17, 2019 at 4:54 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Won2blv - April 24, 2019 at 5:04 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Succubus - April 24, 2019 at 8:31 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Won2blv - April 25, 2019 at 5:21 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Alan V - April 25, 2019 at 7:37 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Alan V - April 25, 2019 at 9:23 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Belacqua - April 16, 2019 at 10:49 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 16, 2019 at 10:55 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Alan V - April 16, 2019 at 10:57 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by brewer - April 17, 2019 at 9:02 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Peebo-Thuhlu - April 17, 2019 at 10:53 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Acrobat - April 17, 2019 at 12:26 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Rahn127 - April 17, 2019 at 1:18 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 17, 2019 at 3:25 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Succubus - April 17, 2019 at 4:31 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Lemon Curry - April 17, 2019 at 7:49 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Rahn127 - April 17, 2019 at 9:03 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by chimp3 - April 17, 2019 at 9:17 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Angrboda - April 17, 2019 at 11:55 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Rahn127 - April 18, 2019 at 1:27 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Lemon Curry - April 20, 2019 at 4:30 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Simon Moon - April 20, 2019 at 9:12 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Won2blv - April 24, 2019 at 5:20 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Simon Moon - April 27, 2019 at 3:00 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Won2blv - April 29, 2019 at 1:54 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Simon Moon - April 29, 2019 at 4:21 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Won2blv - April 29, 2019 at 8:41 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Simon Moon - April 30, 2019 at 4:01 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Won2blv - May 1, 2019 at 2:07 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Simon Moon - May 1, 2019 at 7:34 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Won2blv - May 2, 2019 at 2:04 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by brewer - April 27, 2019 at 10:24 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by brewer - April 20, 2019 at 10:39 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2019 at 5:09 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2019 at 5:42 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 26, 2019 at 12:19 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Dmitry1983 - April 26, 2019 at 2:43 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Succubus - April 26, 2019 at 2:55 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 26, 2019 at 3:02 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - April 26, 2019 at 4:01 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Dmitry1983 - April 26, 2019 at 4:45 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Peebo-Thuhlu - April 26, 2019 at 4:57 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Angrboda - April 26, 2019 at 9:37 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 26, 2019 at 9:30 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 26, 2019 at 9:48 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Alan V - April 26, 2019 at 1:58 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Amarok - April 26, 2019 at 10:41 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - April 27, 2019 at 9:34 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Pat Mustard - April 27, 2019 at 12:49 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - April 27, 2019 at 1:34 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - April 27, 2019 at 7:54 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Angrboda - April 28, 2019 at 9:50 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - April 28, 2019 at 10:50 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Angrboda - April 28, 2019 at 10:53 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - April 28, 2019 at 12:21 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Angrboda - April 29, 2019 at 8:25 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - April 29, 2019 at 9:16 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - April 29, 2019 at 9:38 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - April 30, 2019 at 9:01 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - April 30, 2019 at 11:04 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 1, 2019 at 9:02 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - May 1, 2019 at 10:39 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Simon Moon - May 1, 2019 at 11:04 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Angrboda - May 1, 2019 at 6:12 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - May 1, 2019 at 6:20 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 1, 2019 at 9:40 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Peebo-Thuhlu - May 1, 2019 at 9:52 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - May 1, 2019 at 10:10 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 2, 2019 at 6:02 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - May 2, 2019 at 8:44 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 2, 2019 at 11:04 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - May 2, 2019 at 11:22 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 2, 2019 at 1:43 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Peebo-Thuhlu - May 2, 2019 at 2:07 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - May 2, 2019 at 2:17 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 2, 2019 at 2:37 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - May 2, 2019 at 3:20 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 2, 2019 at 4:48 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - May 2, 2019 at 4:57 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Simon Moon - May 6, 2019 at 8:58 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 6, 2019 at 6:33 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Peebo-Thuhlu - May 6, 2019 at 8:26 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Angrboda - May 7, 2019 at 1:49 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 7, 2019 at 9:48 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Peebo-Thuhlu - May 6, 2019 at 9:37 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Angrboda - April 30, 2019 at 11:51 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Amarok - April 28, 2019 at 1:48 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Brian37 - April 28, 2019 at 11:06 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 29, 2019 at 9:03 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Peebo-Thuhlu - May 1, 2019 at 10:42 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Rahn127 - May 1, 2019 at 1:27 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - May 1, 2019 at 2:14 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Rahn127 - May 1, 2019 at 10:48 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Rahn127 - May 6, 2019 at 7:41 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 6, 2019 at 9:05 pm

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