(April 29, 2019 at 4:21 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:(April 29, 2019 at 1:54 pm)Won2blv Wrote: Do you agree that we're not ACTUALLY experiencing the actual sights we see, the smells we smell, and the noises we hear, but rather we are experiencing a slightly delayed version that our consciousness creates? Almost like a movie production and we are the only guest invited.
Yes. All of reality is filtered through our senses.
But here's the thing. If 1000's of people (that are not suffering from some mental illness) all examine the same coffee mug, with some minor discrepancies, you will get very close descriptions. They are using their senses, as flawed as they are, to describe something that they all can agree exists in reality.
With your, and my Ayahuasca experiences, there is no way to relates those to anything that exists in reality.
Quote:Yes, I agree that a schizophrenic is not experiencing reality from the viewpoint of one agreed upon consensus, but I do believe that their consciousness created a real image or experience and that the image or experience is based on some kind of root of reality, or else it wouldn't exist. Maybe the consciousness is creating a false image, but that image may be a short cut the brain takes to express a feeling. So in my opinion, I believe it would be better for a schizophrenic to embrace their visions with the knowledge that it is their special experience. But only if they have the mental capacity to understand that there is still one general reality
You are just wrong on this. It is almost certain, that schizophrenics are not experiencing something in reality.
As far as allowing schizophrenics to 'embrace their visions' is cruel, and quite possibly dangerous to the embrace their visions and to other people.
Quote:And I wasn't saying you completely agreed with me, I just thought it interesting that you had similar epiphanies with just a different narrative.
But the difference is, you are the one adding a whole bunch of stuff that is not in evidence. So, you are the one being irrational about your experiences, I am basing mine on actual evidence.
I guess the point I'm trying to make, is that my experience led me to believe in a narrative of my creation story from the big bang forward. Because even though I believe that at the big bang there was immaterial (non-physical matter) higher beings, I know there was definitely no higher beings of a material (physical matter) form. And I know I'm not the only human that has striven to tell a tale to myself from creation until present day. I seek a narrative the same that BILLIONS of other humans seek it. Mine just happens to align with Mormonism. And that is humorous to me because I spent my whole life growing up in Utah a mormon hater.
So that is real to me. For some odd reason, I relate to so much of Joseph Smith's life story and beliefs. And this came out of nowhere about 2 years ago. The entire experience is subjective, I get that, but it is still real to me
