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Nondualism vs Dualism
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RE: Nondualism vs Dualism
(April 30, 2019 at 11:04 am)madog Wrote:
(April 30, 2019 at 9:01 am)Jehanne Wrote: Apples & Oranges.  Magnetism was observed centuries before Faraday & Maxwell (and, later on, Einstein & Feynman) developed the physical models of it.  In the case of NDEs, such have not even been observed, unlike magnetism.

If NDE has not been observed how can you say its not apples and oranges?

The phenomenon of magnetism was observed centuries before the physical models that both explained, and especially, provided testable predictions of its effects in the physical world.

Let's say that a NDE was observed, that is, someone, such Pam Reynolds, had all of the blood drained from their brain, was flat-lined and was unconscious, and yet, witnessed physical events in the real world while they had no brain activity, a state that is equivalent to clinical death.

What materialistic explanation could there be for such a phenomenon, if it such were ever observed under controlled conditions?

(April 30, 2019 at 11:51 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:
(April 29, 2019 at 9:16 am)Jehanne Wrote: If the mind is a product of the brain, then it is physically impossible for someone to have a genuine out-of-body experience whereby their "soul" leaves their body and witnesses events in the physical world that they cannot possibly see.  Near-death experiences, if verified under controlled conditions, would be proof of an immaterial soul:

Sam Parnia -- AWAreness during REsuscitation (AWARE) study

Exactly what observables would confirm an NDE and how would they demonstrate the existence of the non-material or the soul?

Let's say that I could claim to foretell the future, and so, you, an experimenter, decide to test my claim of "prophecy".  I claim that I could predict the outcome of 1,000 tosses of a fair coin that you, a scientist, are going to make in the future.  I write my predictions down, seal those in an envelope and give that to a trusted third party, say, a notary at a prominent law firm.

You, the scientist, conduct the experiment, recording your results, which you then provide to the notary.  In the presence of you, me and many others, the notary opens up my sealed envelope and compares my predictions to your outcomes, and they are exact.  What physical explanation would you propose, especially, if I am able to replicate this experiment with a dozen other scientists on every continent in the World (including, Antarctica)?
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Nondualism vs Dualism - by Won2blv - April 16, 2019 at 10:22 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 16, 2019 at 10:39 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by vulcanlogician - April 16, 2019 at 10:44 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Won2blv - April 17, 2019 at 3:12 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Alan V - April 17, 2019 at 4:50 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by brewer - April 17, 2019 at 4:54 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Won2blv - April 24, 2019 at 5:04 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Succubus - April 24, 2019 at 8:31 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Won2blv - April 25, 2019 at 5:21 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Alan V - April 25, 2019 at 7:37 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Alan V - April 25, 2019 at 9:23 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Belacqua - April 16, 2019 at 10:49 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 16, 2019 at 10:55 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Alan V - April 16, 2019 at 10:57 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by brewer - April 17, 2019 at 9:02 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Peebo-Thuhlu - April 17, 2019 at 10:53 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Acrobat - April 17, 2019 at 12:26 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Rahn127 - April 17, 2019 at 1:18 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 17, 2019 at 3:25 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Succubus - April 17, 2019 at 4:31 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Lemon Curry - April 17, 2019 at 7:49 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Rahn127 - April 17, 2019 at 9:03 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by chimp3 - April 17, 2019 at 9:17 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Angrboda - April 17, 2019 at 11:55 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Rahn127 - April 18, 2019 at 1:27 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Lemon Curry - April 20, 2019 at 4:30 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Simon Moon - April 20, 2019 at 9:12 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Won2blv - April 24, 2019 at 5:20 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Simon Moon - April 27, 2019 at 3:00 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Won2blv - April 29, 2019 at 1:54 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Simon Moon - April 29, 2019 at 4:21 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Won2blv - April 29, 2019 at 8:41 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Simon Moon - April 30, 2019 at 4:01 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Won2blv - May 1, 2019 at 2:07 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Simon Moon - May 1, 2019 at 7:34 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Won2blv - May 2, 2019 at 2:04 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by brewer - April 27, 2019 at 10:24 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by brewer - April 20, 2019 at 10:39 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2019 at 5:09 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2019 at 5:42 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 26, 2019 at 12:19 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Dmitry1983 - April 26, 2019 at 2:43 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Succubus - April 26, 2019 at 2:55 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 26, 2019 at 3:02 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - April 26, 2019 at 4:01 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Dmitry1983 - April 26, 2019 at 4:45 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Peebo-Thuhlu - April 26, 2019 at 4:57 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Angrboda - April 26, 2019 at 9:37 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 26, 2019 at 9:30 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 26, 2019 at 9:48 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Alan V - April 26, 2019 at 1:58 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Amarok - April 26, 2019 at 10:41 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - April 27, 2019 at 9:34 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Pat Mustard - April 27, 2019 at 12:49 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - April 27, 2019 at 1:34 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - April 27, 2019 at 7:54 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Angrboda - April 28, 2019 at 9:50 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - April 28, 2019 at 10:50 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Angrboda - April 28, 2019 at 10:53 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - April 28, 2019 at 12:21 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Angrboda - April 29, 2019 at 8:25 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - April 29, 2019 at 9:16 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - April 29, 2019 at 9:38 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - April 30, 2019 at 9:01 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - April 30, 2019 at 11:04 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 1, 2019 at 9:02 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - May 1, 2019 at 10:39 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Simon Moon - May 1, 2019 at 11:04 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Angrboda - May 1, 2019 at 6:12 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - May 1, 2019 at 6:20 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 1, 2019 at 9:40 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Peebo-Thuhlu - May 1, 2019 at 9:52 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - May 1, 2019 at 10:10 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 2, 2019 at 6:02 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - May 2, 2019 at 8:44 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 2, 2019 at 11:04 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - May 2, 2019 at 11:22 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 2, 2019 at 1:43 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Peebo-Thuhlu - May 2, 2019 at 2:07 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - May 2, 2019 at 2:17 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 2, 2019 at 2:37 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - May 2, 2019 at 3:20 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 2, 2019 at 4:48 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by madog - May 2, 2019 at 4:57 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Simon Moon - May 6, 2019 at 8:58 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 6, 2019 at 6:33 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Peebo-Thuhlu - May 6, 2019 at 8:26 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Angrboda - May 7, 2019 at 1:49 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 7, 2019 at 9:48 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Peebo-Thuhlu - May 6, 2019 at 9:37 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Angrboda - April 30, 2019 at 11:51 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Amarok - April 28, 2019 at 1:48 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Brian37 - April 28, 2019 at 11:06 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - April 29, 2019 at 9:03 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Peebo-Thuhlu - May 1, 2019 at 10:42 am
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Rahn127 - May 1, 2019 at 1:27 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by The Grand Nudger - May 1, 2019 at 2:14 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Rahn127 - May 1, 2019 at 10:48 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Rahn127 - May 6, 2019 at 7:41 pm
RE: Nondualism vs Dualism - by Jehanne - May 6, 2019 at 9:05 pm

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