Nondualism vs Dualism

[Simon Moon]

If NDE has not been observed how can you say its not apples and oranges?

The phenomenon of magnetism was observed centuries before the physical models that both explained, and especially, provided testable predictions of its effects in the physical world.

Let's say that a NDE was observed, that is, someone, such Pam Reynolds, had all of the blood drained from their brain, was flat-lined and was unconscious, and yet, witnessed physical events in the real world while they had no brain activity, a state that is equivalent to clinical death.

What materialistic explanation could there be for such a phenomenon, if it such were ever observed under controlled conditions?

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You are passing the burden of proof. It is not up to others to come up with materialistic explanations, if you are the one claiming it has a supernatural explanation. Just because you can't think of a materialistic explanation, does not mean there isn't one. And just because a materialistic cause maybe currently unknown, does not mean that a supernatural explanation for the cause wins by default as the best explanation.

So, lets say the above incident happened as you claim.

How would one go about demonstrating that there is a supernatural cause? How would one go about ruling out all possible natural causes? How would one go about even considering a supernatural cause as a candidate explanation? Wouldn't one have to demonstrate that the supernatural exists, before it can be considered a candidate explanation?

In the history of humanity, anytime a phenomena has been given supernatural explanations as a cause, when the real explanations has been found, it has always been a natural explanation.

Let's say that I could claim to foretell the future, and so, you, an experimenter, decide to test my claim of "prophecy".  I claim that I could predict the outcome of 1,000 tosses of a fair coin that you, a scientist, are going to make in the future.  I write my predictions down, seal those in an envelope and give that to a trusted third party, say, a notary at a prominent law firm.

You, the scientist, conduct the experiment, recording your results, which you then provide to the notary.  In the presence of you, me and many others, the notary opens up my sealed envelope and compares my predictions to your outcomes, and they are exact.  What physical explanation would you propose, especially, if I am able to replicate this experiment with a dozen other scientists on every continent in the World (including, Antarctica)?

Well, at least there is some actual phenomena to look at in this hypothetical.

Isn't interesting though, you have to come up with some extreme hypothetical, that never actually occurs in the real world to make your point?

And once again, you are passing the burden of proof. It would be up to the person claiming that there is a supernatural explanation, to make their case. It is not up to skeptics to prove it is not supernatural.

Houdini performed some of his escapes in the presence of Arthur Conan Doyle (Sherlock Holmes author). After the escape, Doyle examined the ropes and chains and discovered them to be still tied and locked. Since he could not come up with a natural explanation on how Houdini could have performed these escapes, Doyle surmised that Houdini actually could dematerialize.

Was Doyle's thinking flawed? Is so, why isn't yours?