RE: Nondualism vs Dualism
May 1, 2019 at 9:40 pm
(This post was last modified: May 1, 2019 at 9:48 pm by Jehanne.)
(May 1, 2019 at 6:20 pm)madog Wrote:(May 1, 2019 at 9:02 am)Jehanne Wrote: Let's say that I could claim to foretell the future, and so, you, an experimenter, decide to test my claim of "prophecy". I claim that I could predict the outcome of 1,000 tosses of a fair coin that you, a scientist, are going to make in the future. I write my predictions down, seal those in an envelope and give that to a trusted third party, say, a notary at a prominent law firm.
You, the scientist, conduct the experiment, recording your results, which you then provide to the notary. In the presence of you, me and many others, the notary opens up my sealed envelope and compares my predictions to your outcomes, and they are exact. What physical explanation would you propose, especially, if I am able to replicate this experiment with a dozen other scientists on every continent in the World (including, Antarctica)?
OK, show me and I'll decide after ....
Okay, then we disagree. At the heart of reality are the Conservation Laws, or, to quote Professor Bart Ehrman, "Bars of Ivory Soap float but bars of iron sink." This is why people do not walk on water; now, if someone did, I would actively look for fraud, but if that was not present and could be excluded, I would convert to "whatever" religion that claimant asked me to believe in.
(May 1, 2019 at 10:42 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: Uhm... Jehanne?
Neither of those two scenarios in any way are actually similar to "Science'.
Or anything like such.
So... the first thing to ask is;
"Has anything like NDE been tested for?"
"What might even the mechanisms be for NDE's?"
"How might one go about both looking for said events as well as screening out things which might lead to a false positive"
The list goes on.
Just positing 'Dualism' and then... leaving it thre seems... wrong?
Not at work.
It would be a completely reasonable inference, in my opinion. If there are nonphysical causes and/or substances to reality and existence, then there is no reason, as an atheist, that I cannot come to know such phenomenon. I am an atheist because I think that physicalism is sufficient, and I see no reason to go beyond it. But, an adult amputee being healed on live TV would, basically, end my materialistic stance, which, by the way, is just that, a stance, and not a "belief system".
(May 1, 2019 at 11:04 am)Simon Moon Wrote: Isn't interesting though, you have to come up with some extreme hypothetical, that never actually occurs in the real world to make your point?
That's the point, though, isn't it? In this case, absence of evidence is evidence of absence. My example is, I admit, "extreme", but would be trivial to implement. Flipping a fair coin and recording the results would only take 15 seconds at most, or, about 4 hours to get a thousand tosses. Not too much effort to demonstrate genuine prophecy!