(May 1, 2019 at 7:34 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:(May 1, 2019 at 2:07 pm)Won2blv Wrote: As far as Mormonism goes, I have a subjective experience that helps me relate to Joseph Smith, but I agree with what he concluded about religion. None of them teach the truth but truth could be found through personal revelation.
Not sure how this can be true, when there are Muslims, Christians, Mormons, Hindus who claim to have personal revelation that are all mutually exclusive. A Hindu personal revelation, is not going to agree with a personal revelation of a Muslim. They can't all be right, but they can all be wrong.
And again, I can't help but go back to schizophrenics who have varying personal revelations from all sorts of beings.
How are you able to tell the difference between a 'real' personal revelation, and one caused by mental illness?
Quote:And I do care if my beliefs are true or not. I just know that there is a reason so many humans yearn for a creation narrative that they can understand and relate to. I know my personal beliefs will never interfere with me knowing if something is true scientifically or not
That is just sad to me. I am not sure how you cannot see that this attitude, if applied to other aspects of your life, can be dangerous.
Quote:I know my personal beliefs will never interfere with me knowing if something is true scientifically or not
I don't believe that is true.
If your mind is such that you accept completely unsupported and irrational beliefs in one subject, it may be that you are setting yourself to believe other unsupported and irrational beliefs.
When it comes to my personal beliefs, yes, sometimes I add more meaning to a seemingly meaningless world, but I stand by the fact that I can separate subjective truth and objective truth. You asked how a person is to know if a personal revelation is "real" or created by mental illness, I say they're all real. Probably often misinterpreted due to a lack of understanding as to what may have made the hallucination manifest in the first place.
In some cultures what we call a schizophrenic would be venerated as a holy man. And I get it, some cultures were cannibalistic, would that make it right? I'm saying that from my personal experience dealing with psychoses and delusions, I know that the delusions had a root cause based in reality, but misinterpreted by my brain. In the case of visual hallucinations, I wonder if these people have a higher amount of body made DMT running through their system.