(May 3, 2019 at 9:01 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: I tell you that these things produce that sense in me, as they do in so many other people, you fuck the chicken with some nonsense about how it doesn't do that for you.
I’m not sure how many times I have to repeat that how my family, fortunate life etc does that for me as well, fills me with a sense of gratitude just as it does for you.
Not sure why you keep implying otherwise.
I’m just indicating that this experience of gratitude, is not the same as the experience of the numinous.
Quote:Entirely, your, problem. You're not actually interested in how or that atheists experience this sense of the numinous at all, are you, lol?
No I’m just indicating that you confusing one type of feeling with another, confusing a sense of gratitude with that of the numinous, and this has nothing to do with you being an atheist.
Quote:Imma take you to church, lol.
One things that always been a bit curious to me, is that whenever atheists expound on beauty, there examples are always of non-human things, like nature, the cosmos, etc.., they reserve things of great beauty to the non human world, share pictures and illustrations of things you shared here.
While I do find all these things beautiful the things I find of great beauty revolve around human things, the everyday sacrifices a mother makes for her child, a boy taking care of his ailing grandmother, things of great love, and dignity, community, friendship. While many atheists seem more obsessed with the external objective world, free of any human connection.
I remember the exact moment I fell in love with my wife, though at this a point she was just a friend. I had went with her to a homeless shelter, where she volunteered at onoccasion. They sat the volunteers at tables with the filthy poor, and asked us to pray with them before the meal. I wasn’t much of a believer then, so I passed. So she prayed, so earnestly concerned about their lives, that she wept while she did, so tender and so filled with love.
There’s a thing of great beauty, that not all the beauty of the cosmos, or empty forests, or nature, could ever match.
While all your images are devoid of life, this single scene was so filled with it, it spills over the brim.



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