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My apology
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RE: My apology
Quote:You forget the consumer in all of this. Consumers control the market; the "99%" control the market, they just don't realise it. In a completely consumer based society (which is what right-Libertarians advocate), all corporations must eventually answer to their consumers.
But that isnt the case. Look at east india trading. They started in a mostly consumer based society, then expanded its influence into places where no currently laws could touch them, meaning that they were in that right-libertarian model. Look how quickly, once having that pure "market anarchy" they dominated everything they influenced, even becoming their own form of government in the end. And surely, they only wanted Laisez-faire for themselves, not for their competitors.
Quote:A monopoly could exist, but it would only be strong for as long as it kept it's consumers happy. Imagine, for instance, that there was no Mac OS X, no Linux, no Solaris or UNIX. Imagine there was only Microsoft and their Windows platform. Pretty soon, people would get sick of it, and start to come up with their own ideas; get funding, and start some of the aforementioned products as direct competition. It's already happened to some degree; Microsoft used to be a monopoly, but they are quickly losing a lot of their market share to Apple, and certainly to Red Hat in the business world (if you didn't already know, Red Hat Linux is a Linux distro which charges for licenses / support).
Monopolies do more than "could exist". They "will exist" in laisez-faire. New ideas will come about with or without the right-libertarian economic structure regardless. It's happening right now in our keynesian system here in America. Im not knocking free-market for its freedom. I am knocking it for its potential to abuse of the labor.
Quote:As for employee rights, I assume you mean the whole myth about "corporate slaves". In Libertarianism, the government still exists to enforce the law, and one law I am very much in favour in is against people (or corporations) owning slaves. Just because there would be no government regulation of business, doesn't mean that businesses get to break other non-commercial laws. Social laws are above all other laws; no business can get away with murder, or rape, or slavery. Employees have the right to quit if they want, or organise mass walkouts, or any other social action. Consumers can do the same, because consumers have shown time and time again to care about working conditions of companies they buy from.
"myth"? In america before trade unionism came into popularity, it was common for a corporation to enclose an entire city, or area. The workers had no choice but to buy their food and commodities from the corporation itself. The workers eventually were no longer paid in dollars, but in company credit. Food and commodities were imported by the companie at the cheapest price they could find, and then the prices were artificially inflated when sold to the lower worker. workers who complained were beaten, or punished by not being allowed into the company store for a few days. company credit was always given to them at a lower percentage of the dollar amount on paydays, if paydays even came on time. Sure, many were allowed to leave (which was their excuse for saying "see, you arent slaves"), but their names were blacklisted as a "trouble maker" or as a "communist" and then shared with many other companies so that you could no longer find work in the immediate area.
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My apology - by reverendjeremiah - October 11, 2011 at 12:39 pm
RE: My apology - by Cinjin - October 11, 2011 at 1:05 pm
RE: My apology - by thesummerqueen - October 11, 2011 at 1:07 pm
RE: My apology - by reverendjeremiah - October 11, 2011 at 1:29 pm
RE: My apology - by KichigaiNeko - October 12, 2011 at 9:34 am
RE: My apology - by Rayaan - October 11, 2011 at 1:18 pm
RE: My apology - by Tiberius - October 11, 2011 at 1:24 pm
RE: My apology - by reverendjeremiah - October 11, 2011 at 1:48 pm
RE: My apology - by Faith No More - October 11, 2011 at 1:49 pm
RE: My apology - by reverendjeremiah - October 11, 2011 at 5:29 pm
RE: My apology - by thesummerqueen - October 11, 2011 at 1:25 pm
RE: My apology - by Rayaan - October 11, 2011 at 1:29 pm
RE: My apology - by reverendjeremiah - October 11, 2011 at 1:50 pm
RE: My apology - by 5thHorseman - October 11, 2011 at 1:29 pm
RE: My apology - by Rayaan - October 11, 2011 at 1:45 pm
RE: My apology - by thesummerqueen - October 11, 2011 at 1:52 pm
RE: My apology - by reverendjeremiah - October 11, 2011 at 3:10 pm
RE: My apology - by thesummerqueen - October 11, 2011 at 3:11 pm
RE: My apology - by reverendjeremiah - October 11, 2011 at 3:15 pm
RE: My apology - by 5thHorseman - October 11, 2011 at 3:24 pm
RE: My apology - by reverendjeremiah - October 11, 2011 at 3:52 pm
RE: My apology - by Rev. Rye - October 11, 2011 at 4:21 pm
RE: My apology - by Rayaan - October 11, 2011 at 4:53 pm
RE: My apology - by thesummerqueen - October 11, 2011 at 4:54 pm
RE: My apology - by thesummerqueen - October 11, 2011 at 5:55 pm
RE: My apology - by Cinjin - October 11, 2011 at 7:07 pm
RE: My apology - by reverendjeremiah - October 11, 2011 at 7:25 pm
RE: My apology - by 5thHorseman - October 11, 2011 at 6:07 pm
RE: My apology - by reverendjeremiah - October 11, 2011 at 6:10 pm
RE: My apology - by thesummerqueen - October 11, 2011 at 6:09 pm
RE: My apology - by 5thHorseman - October 11, 2011 at 6:13 pm
RE: My apology - by reverendjeremiah - October 11, 2011 at 6:33 pm
RE: My apology - by theVOID - October 12, 2011 at 7:37 am
RE: My apology - by Tiberius - October 11, 2011 at 6:18 pm
RE: My apology - by 5thHorseman - October 11, 2011 at 6:27 pm
RE: My apology - by 5thHorseman - October 11, 2011 at 6:36 pm
RE: My apology - by thesummerqueen - October 11, 2011 at 7:08 pm
RE: My apology - by Cinjin - October 11, 2011 at 7:11 pm
RE: My apology - by Rayaan - October 11, 2011 at 7:36 pm
RE: My apology - by reverendjeremiah - October 11, 2011 at 8:43 pm
RE: My apology - by searchingforanswers - October 11, 2011 at 8:45 pm
RE: My apology - by Tiberius - October 12, 2011 at 3:03 am
RE: My apology - by fr0d0 - October 12, 2011 at 3:13 am
RE: My apology - by Tiberius - October 12, 2011 at 4:01 am
RE: My apology - by fr0d0 - October 12, 2011 at 7:58 am
RE: My apology - by reverendjeremiah - October 12, 2011 at 7:57 am
RE: My apology - by theVOID - October 12, 2011 at 8:08 am
RE: My apology - by reverendjeremiah - October 12, 2011 at 8:19 am
RE: My apology - by theVOID - October 12, 2011 at 8:51 am
RE: My apology - by thesummerqueen - October 12, 2011 at 9:36 am
RE: My apology - by KichigaiNeko - October 12, 2011 at 9:39 am
RE: My apology - by reverendjeremiah - October 12, 2011 at 10:54 am
RE: My apology - by Violet - October 12, 2011 at 5:29 pm
RE: My apology - by fr0d0 - October 12, 2011 at 6:10 pm



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