(August 11, 2019 at 5:12 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:Everyone believes in God's existence just by observing creation (clearly seen)* itself so there isn't any reason to prove his existence. Additionally, beyond creation: 1. In Christ, all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form. 2. Biblical revelation of God**.(August 10, 2019 at 11:58 pm)snowtracks Wrote: Abductive reasoning is reasoning that attempts to arrive at the best explanation for an event or series of facts. Diagnosticians use this form of reasoning to move from facts or data or events to a coherent, plausible explanation. Examples:
Detectives - evidence to theory;
Scientists - data to hypothesis;
Physicians - symptoms to diagnosis
An example of applying abductive reasoning to the first 2 verses of the Bible to modern science.
Genesis 1:1 - Universe began.
Genesis 1:2* - Earth started covered with water. ref: Liquid Water At Earth's Surface 4.3 Billion Years Ago, Scientists Discover
*And the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.
Since the Bible stated these scientific facts some 4000 years before modern science, the abductive reasoning conclusion (best explanation) is that these first 2 verses originate from a supernatural source.
All the subsequent verses of the first chapter of Genesis can likewise be validated to agree with modern science when applicable to that category.
Can you see the problem with the bible?
Can you see how light on detail it is the universe began it says, it doesn't say how does it! it does nothing but say there is a universe the same for the rest.
And as nothing has ever been shown to be supernatural you have to show the supernatural is even a thing BEFORE you can show that a god is even a possibility and then you'd have tp show that the particular god you believe in is the culprit. So you aren't even at step 1 of "proving god".
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"Can you see how light on detail it is the universe began" - Genesis 1 is a summary. A flawless overview of 13B.years of natural history in just one page written some 3tya that miraculous describes the sequential steps (which perfectly align with the scientific record) by which Earth became ready for human habitation. Genesis 2 like all other references adds details to the summary. Gen2, in particular, gives a spiritual perspective on creation; thus, it begins to elaborate on ‘purpose’ of creation.
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*For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has
been made, so that people are without excuse.
**So then faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.