RE: How to easily defeat any argument for God
August 12, 2019 at 6:44 am
(This post was last modified: August 12, 2019 at 6:49 am by Acrobat.)
(August 12, 2019 at 1:01 am)Grandizer Wrote:(August 12, 2019 at 12:57 am)Acrobat Wrote: I'm not a naturalist, so I don't share that view, I'm of the opinion that what my mind sees as out there is out there, and what it perceives as in here is in here, regardless of whether it's physical or not, absent of any compelling reason to doubt a perception.
I agree there's a badness to harm, and goodness to promoting flourishing. But as indicated previously goodness and badness here are like stating the colors of these things, that's what I mean by it's truly good and truly bad here, that I am describing something objective, something out there, even if immaterial.
You may not agree with that, but you seem to reject that suggestion that goodness and badness here are an expression of your feelings, that badness just means your dislike and displeasure of harm, and goodness just indicated your liking, pleasure in the promoting of flourishing.
As a result you seem to be floating in some sort of limbo between the two.
It's not about like or dislike. It's wrong because ... Look what it does. What it does we reasonably consider to be bad. There is nothing to suggest that it is good.
I can consider something to be bad while sadistically liking it. I can consider something to be good while cynically being against it.
Yes I acknowledge, that both of us agree that Good and Bad are not about likes and dislikes.
The goodness of something, nor the badness of something exist purely as things in our head, but rather out there, as objective truths.
That we can acknowledge even while desiring to do the antithesis of them.
Goodness and Badness of x, is more like saying the roundness or yellowness of X, or the light or darkness of X, than the disgustingness or prettiness of x, or the taste of x, or the feeling of x.
(August 12, 2019 at 1:44 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: If god -is- the reason that something is bad, then bad is arbitrary and subjective. A fact about an individuals nature or predispositions
Good or in particular the absence of good is the reason that something is bad, like Light or in particular the absence of light is the reason why something is dark.