Hong Kong.........

[Secular Elf]

Are the Republicans okay with the government retaliating with force? I'm pretty sure they condemn it too. The problem is, what are we supposed to do? Go to war with China? With Trump at the helm? No fucking thanks.

"Capitalism" knows no boarders. This is not the same GOP/Democrat unity we had in WW2, or post WW2.

I don't want to go to war with China either. But that fucking party has shit on liberals as if we were Stalin and Castro. Considering that they are in the pocket of billionaires, and those billionaires make all their crap in China, I find it a bit hypocritical they try to paint liberals as the bad guys.

The world's billionaires, friend and foe alike go where they can use the cheapest labor and cheapest material. 

If the GOP is going to rightfully condemn oppression then I don't want them vilifying me because I am also on the side of Hong Kong's protesters, and I also do not want war either. But if you listen to the GOP I am out to end the private sector, and I am out to end political pluralism, which I am NOT!

The idea of the west, isn't to concede morals to oppressive states.

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If the GOP is for an open and free Hong Kong, then don't shit on me when I agree. Don't vilify me because I value worker stability. Don't vilify me because I want their population to have a a say in how they are ruled and value oversight.

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I'm happy to know where you stand on this issue.  I think the protestors are in the right regarding the extradition laws.  But they should understand - as I'm sure you do - that Hong Kong has been a part of China since 1997.  It is a semi-autonomous region, somewhat analogous to Puerto Rico's relationship with the US.  How do you imagine the US would react if protestors in PR were to shut down the Port of San Juan, or the airport?

Boru

Again, I do not want a war with China either. But lets not fool ourselves here. All this bullshit talk about the GOP supporting a free Hong Kong is just that, knowing that all the crap we buy here at Walmart and dollar stores, and our laptops and cell phones are made there. Their billionaires and our billionaires dont give a fuck.

Right now there is a western billionaire and a Chinese billionaire in board rooms or on cell phones talking to each other saying "All these uppity  humans are fucking up  our greed. "

Since I could not find an emoji for "nailed it", I have to say, Boru, you nailed it on the head.

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No, the protests are about a change in the extraditions laws, not trade.

Boru

DUH!

Still connected though. Government of all countries make laws. China doesn't want Hong Kong to affect anything, because if they do, it can be a domino.

The global market, both friend and foe alike are used like poker chips used  to influence others.

Yes, the protests began as anti-extradition. But now it has evolved into a pro-democracy, anti-government movement. That makes them a threat to the authority of the Chinese Communist Party. The hard-asses in the Beijing Politburo did not stand for it in the 1989 uprising in Tianenmen, and they will not stand for it in Hong Kong. Unfortunately, we may see some bloodshed within the next week or two, if not in a few days.

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Trump has no authority to even attempt to mediate this.  Hong Kong and China are the same country.  What you're suggesting is equal to Germany attempting to mediate a disagreement between England and Wales.

Boru

No, way to miss the point again.

I am saying that Trump's diplomacy sucks, nothing more.

I am not looking for a utopia, and again, I don't want a war with China.

I am saying that the fucker has screwed things up and made things worse.

But it is nonsense to say that ANY President does not have authority. It isn't about dictating, but leading. JFK wasn't dictating to Russia in the Cuban missile crisis. Reagan wasn't dictating to Gorbachev when he said "Tare down that wall." 

They were leading. 

China promised to let Hong Kong do it's own thing when Britain handed them back over. Trump fucked everything up with his bullshit trade war. And during his run and while in office has been constantly sucking up to dictators, and that sends a very bad message to these closed oppressive states, that what they do is ok, and it is not ok.

I am not expecting a American style Revolutionary war by Hong Kong. But I also do not want Trump to fuck up the status quo America and Britain set up for decades.

It is the same fucking tone deaf insensitivity and his love of authoritarians that puts South Korea and Japan at risk with the way he sucks up to Un.

True. I can see Cheeto-head's buddy, Vlad, laughing his head off as he drinks his vodka and smokes his cigar, because America's Foreign Policy, as currently run by the Trump Regime's gobheads, makes the U.S. weaker on the world stage.