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[Brian37]

The problem with religious and political ideologs is that they ignore both Shakespeare's MacBeth's ACT 5 SCENE 5 "Flurry Of Activity, signifying nothing" and Sagan's "Pale Blue Dot. "

I do shout and scream myself. But not because I want immortality, but because I see the good in my species, in that we are perfectly capable of problem solving while ditching tribalism and ego. 

I do fear however, our species tribalism will shorten our ride. I hope not though.

'Sound and fury', not 'Flurry Of Activity'.

And I really, REALLY don't think you understand what MacBeth was saying in that scene.

Boru

Yes I do dude.

Ultimately life doesn't mean shit.

It was however saying that the "now" matters. 

The problem with theists and politicians, of all ilk, is that they miss this point, along with Sagan's point. 

Now DOES matter, but 4 billion years ago does not, 13.8 billion years ago does not, and 10 billion years from now wont either.

The only thing humans can do pragmatically is extend the finite ride we have. I'd only argue that religion, while you cant rid the word of it, is a sucky way of extending our species ride, because it is so fucking tribal.

Shakespeare WAS right. There were far more Pharaohs in the Egyptian period than Tut or Akanaton, but outside historians, most can only name a couple. Russia and China also have long histories, but how many can name every single leader either nation has had? I cant name every single president America has had. How many people can name every leader of Iran or Saudi Arabia in their respective histories?

How many teens can name the multitude of pop or rock or rap stars someone my age grew up with? How many people can name all the kings and queens England has had over the past 2 centuries?


There is not one human who can name one single human in our species history that can live forever, because that is a bullshit myth.

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I am not more important than Tut or Obama, anymore than I am more evil than Stalin or Hitler.

Sagan got it right. It is right to hate evil, it is right to be kind, but the harsh reality is that nature and the universe are incapable of picking good over evil. Our natural cognitions, our natural empathy are far better guides than the designs of the powers that convince us of tribalism.