(August 28, 2019 at 11:21 am)Acrobat Wrote:The disciples were confused. If the teacher is a god, how is he unable to get his original message across (other than having himself crucified*)....oh, wait, your original argument was he didnt want to. So which one is it? He wouldnt or he couldnt?(August 28, 2019 at 10:51 am)Deesse23 Wrote: A teacher who intentionally keeps his disciples confused is an ass imho. Particularly when he is the reincarnation of a god. Whats the purpose of an (omni)benevolent deity being an ass?
The meaning of those things that confused the disciples, was understand through Christ's death and resurrection. Nothing the teacher could have said would have resolved this confusion, only an act beyond words and instructions held the meaning to be conveyed.
*why couldnt god make his point without an additional crucifiction. Its not like there werent enough case studies around.
(August 28, 2019 at 11:21 am)Acrobat Wrote:I didnt ask what you think he is/isnt, but how do you know?Quote:How do you know what your god wants? How do you know what kind of god your god is?
I know what he isn't.
(August 28, 2019 at 11:21 am)Acrobat Wrote:Grandiose sounding words, but what are you actually trying to say? A god is what mekes sense out of senselessness? Thats your criteria for believing in and worshipping an entity? How does this adress my objection, at.all.?Quote:Life is not a stage show. Its more serious than that. I am actually shocked you are comparing the struggle of all humans in our history, particularly all the hardships and suffering to a magic show. But otoh its a cornerstone of your religion to have contempt for fellow human beings and pretend it to be compassion. Thats the part where religion has poisoned your mind.
A serious God wouldn't be about magic, but the struggles and suffering of human existence , a God who makes sense of senselessness. If any such reality, if any such being exists, it's only this that's worthy of being called God. A God who turns the brutalized murder of an innocent man, into the reality of hope and redemption.
Your original argument was that god (like a magician) is not obliged to explain to the audience all his tricks, only to show them (paraphrasing). I objected to that, saying that is asshol-ish, particularly when the show was about teaching the audience.
(August 28, 2019 at 11:21 am)Acrobat Wrote: But a failure to recognize the brokenness of the human condition, a reflection of sin, the great tragedy that lays at the very heart of life. And if weren't for the reality of hope, redemption, transformation, all that would be left is despair, a lynching victim left to hang on a tree for an eternity.Humans are broken, a reflection of sin. Yes, your contempt for your fellow human beings is clearly visible, and i somewhat have to thank you for your honesty. Thank you for confirming my claim, but somehow i still dont feel very good about this situation


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