Ecology topic

[Fake Messiah]

The majority of fossil fuel energy consumption relates to industry and transportation.  These are efficient and (currently) non negotiable uses of fossil fuel energy.

Non negotiable? I would rather say that "we" need a plan and one of the plans could surely involve what is Bill Gates developing: Traveling Wave Reactor. Or at least what he was developing until he got Trumped



I mean imagine the mathematical possibilities with TWR: it's clean, it produces electricity for decades without being refueled, it's small, easy to build (once developed), could be dispersed everywhere, no emissions.

It could produce cheap and clean electricity which could then be used to create fuel for cars, suck out the carbon from the air, filter the industry chimneys, even filter the smoke from burning garbage (so we get rid of garbage).

But, unfortunately, people today are afraid of nuclear energy. Even of TWR. Although even the most polluting nuclear power-plants don't come close to how much lives coal power-plants take or, not to mention, oil refineries.
But TWR doesn't come close to any of that. It is completely clean, nothing comes in, nothing comes out (except electricity)

The thing is that people want to clean up the world. There are volunteering organizations that collect like garbage from oceans, but once they remove them it kind of returns back into the ocean because humans don't know what to do with it but pile it on some place. And yes US and Europe are one of the "lucky" countries because they get to take their plastic garbage and ship it away to the less fortunate countries that drown in it. Let's face it people - recycling plastic is a pipe dream. It is just dumping your own garbage into the countries with corrupt leaders and even they have the limit. Once even they will be full and New York, Huston, Berlin, Paris won't be that beautiful anymore but also filled with plastic trash.

Even if the worlds population has to live in bubbles someday, a human life inside the bubble will be demonstrably and qualitatively better on account of it.

Come on Gae, you're a nature guy. Imagine if you could never take out your kids to the lake, to the stroll, fishing, but always cooped up behind the glass watching outside into the white smog, inhaling oxygen from a tank; cooped up inside of a bubble while the nature is dying outside. Besides, bubble wouldn't be big enough for all people in the world.

Also, people in China already live like this and they aren't much happy about it

IMO, the real major hurdle in tackling the climate crisis is finding alternatives to that consumption which can be offered to the much larger portion of the worlds population just now seeking the benefits of that consumption, as we've had for all these years.

That's because politicians aren't doing enough. Some have plans like UK plans to go all green in 20 years and solar and wind prices are going down, but real plan would be developing something like TWR.

As nutballs rightly note - it doesn't matter what the now developed world does, short of offering a new and equal paradigm for development.

Nutballs' stance is that people who want change just want all industry and transport to stop and that people kill each other. Nutballs don't care to learn about solutions, they don't care to know about the problems, they seem to be in love with the oil and can't imagine their lives with something else in its place.