Early Islam and healthcare

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It doesn't seem that way when you consider the amounts of Europeans standing with Right wing's propaganda.

14-16% of Germans would vote for the right wing xenophbic party if today were elections. Thats 1/6.

What about the Pegida protest against Muslims in Germany and Europe in general??
It exceeds the 16% from what I saw in the news.

The Right is winning and it uses xenophobia and denying Muslims of their real history as a favorite asset to win.

They have risen, more or less, depending on what area/country you are looking at. Winning? Not...yet.
Does it use xenophhobia? Sure, but its directed against everybody, not only muslims.
Denying their history? Where? When? Examples please.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegida

Pegida believes that Germany is being increasingly Islamicized[10] and defines itself in opposition to Islamic extremism.

I don't see anybody else targeted but Muslims in the official agenda of the far right.

Muslim history is being dumped underground,

Where? When? Examples?
On german TV there is routinely history docus about islam and its achievements during the medieval age (broaadly speaking in terms of time). Nothing hidden, dumped, twisted.

Muslim advent to the world literally shook the whole globe, from Africa to Europe.
That's not even my opinion; but the opinion of historians that some of them were even atheist.

Until this day Muslims are a billion and increasing. Muslims hold the richest regions in their hands, unlike the Mongols they kept science and rewarded scientists, they even utilized the geniuses of Europe to manufacture the strongest cannons of their time, but why don't I read about this unless I dig so deep in Wikipedia, while way smaller cultures are magnified.

Give me the name of the program and the channel so I confess that I was wrong.

and ignoring the existence of Muslims is widespread,

...and i thought part of the problem of xenophobia is to think that too many *pick your favourite foreigners* are around. I thought the knowledge of the dominance, based on brutal expansionism of the Ottoman empire is what makes so many people afraid.
If foreigners could be conveniently ignored, as you said, then xenophobia wouldnt be a thing.

You respect Sun Tzu; right?

His first rule in the book "Art of War" was:

Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt. When strong, avoid them. If of high morale, depress them. Seem humble to fill them with conceit.

A fine tactical leader would depress me if my morale is up. One way to depress a person is to cut them from their past, making them feel lost.

The Ottomans were incomparable to the Mongols or the Crusaders. A simple comparison of crime and brutality makes one miss the Ottoman songs.. 

it even reached the degree of demonizing Muslim civilizations like the Ottoman civilization without any shame;

Where? When? Examples please.
Didnt you just say a minute ago muslim history got "dumped underground", that "ignoring the existence of muslims"?

"If of high morale, depress them."

Dumping the history of Muslims underground is one way to kill any high morale that might spark in their heads. Islam is such a headache to imperialists.

forgetting real grand demons like HItler, Vlad and the Crusaders.

"Real demons", mhm? "Look, over THERE", mhm? Vlad Tepes et al notwithstanding, the Ottoman Empire had some pretty repugnant customs, dont you agree? Devshirme, anybody? Ottoman corsairs raiding christian/european coastlines for loot and slaves? What about the great tradition of *eliminating* all your brothers in order to become sultan. Arent there quite a few small coffins in ottoman tombs in and around Topkapi? Not very civilized to kill small boys, dont you think?
Does whatever Vlad Tepes did, make any of this better?

The Church did worse deeds; that even books shake in fear and disgust when they read them.
This Vlad impaled people in the ass. Crusaders ate the flesh of Muslim babies. Mongols and Christians had mutual interest in destroying Islam and Muslims out of the way.

If it wasn't for Ottoman sea raids, European pirates would've had an open playground in the Middle East. The corruption of European pirates filled America and the Caribbean. It's hard to call pirate ships "innocent".

What about the huge amounts of European Christians who lived with the Ottomans, and were even given right to rule Turkey and the Islamic world? Ottomans were very tolerant to Europeans. Bosnia didn't advocate Islam and practice out of the blue.

Lets have a look at Vlad Tepes:
He became to hate the muslims because....oh hey, wait, because the Sultan requested to have him and his brothers as a hostage*. Because the Sultan requested to have the Devshirme done in Wallachia every year? Because the Ottomans intended to subdue Wallachia?
He was Voivod of Wallachia for a mere six years. For how long again did the Ottomans the Ottoman things i pointed out above? 500 years, give or take? Where did Vlad do this thing? In and near Wallachia. The Ottomans? Can we agree on "roughly, the complete mediterranean and the arab peninsula as well, for a loooong time"? Would that be accurrate enough for you?
Did Vlad invade half of the known world in order to force his religion and/or reign on everybody, like the Ottomans, or was he rather what we would call a "freedom fighter", fighting for the freedom of his country/people from Ottoman yoke?

Why Vlad at all, and not Stephen The Great who gave the Ottmans a way better run for the money for much longer time and dealt them the biggest military defeat ever? Why not Prince Eugene? Didnt we already discuss this issue?

Im not even going to adress Crusaders or Hitler, because, frankly, i have better things to do.


*would you rate Arminius as such a "real demon" as well? Would you rate Osman I such a demon for rebelling against the reign of Rum Seldjuks or the Ilkhanate?

Do you want to convince me that this very very very famous verse from the Quran was unknown to the Ottomans or the impeller ?

Sura 2, the Quran:
Sahih International

(256) There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.

This verse is not just famous; it's in the second Sura. Do you want to convince me that Millions of Millions of Turks, Arabs and Europeans, Christian and Muslim, were ignorant of the existence of this verse??

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The Muslim Umma -nation- gave healthcare as early as 805 and supported the families of the sick and the crazy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of..._hospitals

Muslims knew hospitals from a very early time. This carries a shocking answer to the false lies that says early Muslims were savages; matter in fact the world they built is very close to our modern day world.

By borrowing the luxeries that existed for the royals in Rome and Persia; Muslims made them available for everybody.
They even gave salaries to the families of the sick.

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Compare between a crusader living in the darkness and a Muslim living in Baghdad in 700 ad.
No wonder the crusaders ate the flesh of Muslims in the crusades.

Islam did have a golden era. But it ended a looooonnnnnng time ago. They started as savages got a bit cultured then became savages again.

The thing that made them fall? They started to really believe in it.

They didn't turn from a nomadic society until Islam came with Mohammed peace be upon him. In other words; if not for the rules the Quran stated, Arabs would've never crossed two inches into the global scale.

They turned savages again when they abandoned Islam in favor of Sunnism, Shiite-ism, and the twisted form of modern laws that they used to gain more power, but ended in them becoming a third world.

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The Muslim Umma -nation- gave healthcare as early as 805 and supported the families of the sick and the crazy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of..._hospitals

Muslims knew hospitals from a very early time. This carries a shocking answer to the false lies that says early Muslims were savages; matter in fact the world they built is very close to our modern day world.

By borrowing the luxeries that existed for the royals in Rome and Persia; Muslims made them available for everybody.
They even gave salaries to the families of the sick.

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Compare between a crusader living in the darkness and a Muslim living in Baghdad in 700 ad.
No wonder the crusaders ate the flesh of Muslims in the crusades.

Blaming others for what muslims have become is your deal. I blame my parents for not being ugly and poor, then

Of course Muslims are not innocent. The power Arab and Muslim criminals got was caused mainly by the Islamic populations agreeing to sell their culture for a very small price.

Just like your case, it's a certain age you reach when you hold full control over yourself to fight the poison in your childhood.

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It’s well known that Islam kept alive the sciences taught by the Greeks and Romans and built upon them while Europe sank into the Dark Ages of ignorance and fanaticism.

Very few dispute these facts or that the golden age of Islam happened.

I don’t think anyone has any doubts that the Crusade had a profound effect on the psyche of the people of the region.

Remember, though, that Islam was also spread by the sword across North Africa and into Europe.

Both sides committed huge atrocities against one another, themselves, and the innocent around them.

Eastern Romans and Persians treated Arabs like crap, torturing and killing to enforce their power on the local natives in Arabia and Africa; Muslim Arabs always got free help from inside Roman and Persian cities: people despised Romans and Persians.

Persians for example had a complex called expansion and torture; they even attacked Greece.
Romans on the other hand met their destruction for their brutality in the West, but the east held its ground only because the eastern empire were Christian which gave it some compassion over Persia.