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Hypatia, killing of
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RE: Hypatia, killing of
(November 12, 2019 at 5:03 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:
(November 12, 2019 at 4:48 am)Belacqua Wrote: First, you are an obvious bigot so I can't trust anything you say to be impartial and accurate. 

I am not a bigot and I did give you a video from a historian.

Both the historian in the video, and the original source, Socrates Scholasticus, say that she was killed due to a conflict over who would run the city. 

The lady in the video has jazzed things up a little to make a good story. We don't know exactly why the mob hated Hypatia; there is no contemporary source that says she was a "symbol of free thinking." Granted, the people who killed her thought she was wrong, and it is natural for people not to want to be led by people who are wrong. 

The video also makes it sound as if no one tried to oppose Cyril for allegedly inciting the murder. But the Alexandrian Council thought he had acted badly and tried to get his power taken away. The emperor launched an investigation. He apparently survived due to judicious bribery. 

It may be that 4-minute videos from popular teaching companies are not the most complete sources to use. 

Here is a passage from page 113 of Hypatia; the Life and Legend of an Ancient Philosopher by Edward Watts, Oxford University Press, 2017. It gives some sense of the political squabbles of the time:

Quote:Orestes turned to Hypatia to build this coalition.21 Hypatia seemed
like the ultimate neutral arbiter. This was a moment when, Damascius
writes, “the name of philosophy seemed most esteemed and worthy of
honor to those who ran the affairs of the city,” and Hypatia embodied
the old Greek tradition of the publicly engaged, wise philosopher.22 Her
role was more than just symbolic. As a pagan who had not taken sides
in the disagreement between Cyril and Timothy, she had no preexisting
conflict with Cyril. While there is nothing to support the speculation
that Hypatia once taught Cyril, she and her students had worked productively
with Theophilus in the past.23 The community of students she
led exemplified the very sort of elite pagan- Christian cooperation that
Orestes now sought in the city. She was a good symbolic and practical
leader of Orestes’s anti- Cyrillian coalition.
Hypatia and Orestes met regularly at his home following
Ammonius’s attack. After a time, they were joined by a religiously
mixed group of Alexandrian elites.24 They likely spent most of their time
discussing how to manage tensions in the city in a way that minimized
conflict. Not long after their meetings began, Orestes and many of the
city’s other leading Christians stopped attending services at which
Cyril presided. This was perfectly reasonable after the recent attack
on Orestes by Ammonius and Cyril’s proclamation of Ammonius as
a martyr, but it looked far more insidious to Cyril and his supporters.
A pagan source tells us that Cyril soon grew jealous of the crowds who
flocked to Hypatia’s house and the influence she appeared to wield in
the city.25
Cyril’s supporters reacted with even more anger. The relationship
between the prefect and the bishop had become so poisonous that
Cyril’s partisans suspected that Orestes was actively plotting against
Cyril. A rumor began to spread that Hypatia had bewitched Orestes
through some strange combination of Pythagorean music, astrolabes,
and magic.26 The evidence for this is dubious, but those who believed the
rumor saw proof in the continued hostility between Cyril and Orestes,
the fact that Orestes had stopped attending church, and the absence of
many other leading Christians from services.27 Hypatia had little to do
with any of these things; they were natural result of elite anger at Cyril’s
celebration of Ammonius as a martyr.
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Messages In This Thread
Hypatia, killing of - by Fake Messiah - November 12, 2019 at 12:51 am
RE: Hypatia, killing of - by Belacqua - November 12, 2019 at 1:26 am
RE: Hypatia, killing of - by Fake Messiah - November 12, 2019 at 1:58 am
RE: Hypatia, killing of - by Belacqua - November 12, 2019 at 2:31 am
RE: Hypatia, killing of - by Fake Messiah - November 12, 2019 at 4:46 am
RE: Hypatia, killing of - by Belacqua - November 12, 2019 at 4:48 am
RE: Hypatia, killing of - by Fake Messiah - November 12, 2019 at 5:03 am
RE: Hypatia, killing of - by Belacqua - November 12, 2019 at 5:56 am
RE: Hypatia, killing of - by Fake Messiah - November 12, 2019 at 1:08 pm
RE: Hypatia, killing of - by Belacqua - November 12, 2019 at 5:02 pm
RE: Hypatia, killing of - by WinterHold - November 12, 2019 at 8:33 am



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