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Jesus' Mission....

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RE: Jesus' Mission....

November 13, 2019 at 5:24 pm (This post was last modified: November 13, 2019 at 5:25 pm by GrandizerII.)

(November 13, 2019 at 2:39 pm)EgoDeath Wrote: Free will can only exist if god doesnt know our future; if god doesnt know our future then god isnt omnipotent. Cool?

You mean omniscient?

And while I used to agree in the past, this argument can be defeated actually.

God actualizes the world in which you freely choose to do X beforehand. So he doesn't have to actually change it at any point in time to ensure you choose X.

Of course, this doesn't mean that free will makes sense. But to argue for the incompatibility between God and free will is going to be hard with this counter in mind.

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Jesus' Mission.... - by ronedee - November 12, 2019 at 1:44 am

RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Alex K - November 12, 2019 at 1:55 am

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RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 13, 2019 at 7:34 am

RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Abaddon_ire - November 12, 2019 at 9:45 am

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RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 12, 2019 at 6:00 pm

RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Nay_Sayer - November 13, 2019 at 2:48 pm

RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Chad32 - November 12, 2019 at 8:08 pm

RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Valkyrie - November 12, 2019 at 11:11 pm

RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Alex K - November 13, 2019 at 8:13 am

RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by brewer - November 13, 2019 at 1:56 pm

RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Chad32 - November 13, 2019 at 11:03 am

RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 13, 2019 at 2:28 pm

RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Succubus - November 13, 2019 at 5:54 pm

RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Chad32 - November 13, 2019 at 2:31 pm

RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 13, 2019 at 2:32 pm

RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Valkyrie - November 13, 2019 at 2:36 pm

RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by LastPoet - November 13, 2019 at 2:44 pm

RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by EgoDeath - November 13, 2019 at 2:39 pm

RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 13, 2019 at 5:24 pm

RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 13, 2019 at 5:44 pm

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RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 13, 2019 at 9:51 pm

RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by EgoDeath - November 13, 2019 at 7:35 pm

RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 13, 2019 at 7:37 pm

RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by EgoDeath - November 18, 2019 at 4:34 am

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RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by EgoDeath - November 19, 2019 at 3:36 am

RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 13, 2019 at 5:58 pm

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RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 13, 2019 at 6:51 pm

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RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 13, 2019 at 8:20 pm

RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 13, 2019 at 8:34 pm

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RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 14, 2019 at 12:24 am

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RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Mister Agenda - November 14, 2019 at 11:05 am

RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by ronedee - November 14, 2019 at 12:59 pm

RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 14, 2019 at 11:18 am

RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 15, 2019 at 11:50 am

RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Mister Agenda - November 15, 2019 at 9:47 am

RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2019 at 11:11 am

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RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 15, 2019 at 12:51 pm

RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 15, 2019 at 12:06 pm

RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Alex K - November 15, 2019 at 12:37 pm

RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2019 at 12:18 pm

RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2019 at 1:35 pm

RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 15, 2019 at 2:27 pm

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RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2019 at 9:48 pm

RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 18, 2019 at 6:33 pm

RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 18, 2019 at 7:06 pm

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