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RE: Jesus' Mission....
November 13, 2019 at 7:37 pm (This post was last modified: November 13, 2019 at 7:54 pm by GrandizerII.)
(November 13, 2019 at 7:35 pm)EgoDeath Wrote:
(November 13, 2019 at 5:24 pm)Grandizer Wrote: You mean omniscient?

And while I used to agree in the past, this argument can be defeated actually.

God actualizes the world in which you freely choose to do X beforehand. So he doesn't have to actually change it at any point in time to ensure you choose X.

Right. Meaning he already actualized that I would choose x. Meaning i have no free will to choose anything other than x. Its already been actualized, as you put it.

The second sentence does not follow from the first.
This might help:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modal_fallacy
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Jesus' Mission.... - by ronedee - November 12, 2019 at 1:44 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Alex K - November 12, 2019 at 1:55 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by LadyForCamus - November 13, 2019 at 3:32 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by brewer - November 12, 2019 at 8:39 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Gwaithmir - November 12, 2019 at 8:47 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Chad32 - November 12, 2019 at 8:50 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Silver - November 12, 2019 at 8:54 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by chimp3 - November 12, 2019 at 9:06 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 12, 2019 at 9:13 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 12, 2019 at 9:12 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Valkyrie - November 12, 2019 at 1:13 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by LastPoet - November 12, 2019 at 9:34 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Chad32 - November 12, 2019 at 9:42 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 13, 2019 at 7:34 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Abaddon_ire - November 12, 2019 at 9:45 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Mister Agenda - November 12, 2019 at 10:03 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Nay_Sayer - November 12, 2019 at 5:53 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 12, 2019 at 6:00 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Nay_Sayer - November 13, 2019 at 2:48 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Chad32 - November 12, 2019 at 8:08 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Valkyrie - November 12, 2019 at 11:11 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Alex K - November 13, 2019 at 8:13 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by brewer - November 13, 2019 at 1:56 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Chad32 - November 13, 2019 at 11:03 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 13, 2019 at 2:28 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Succubus - November 13, 2019 at 5:54 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Chad32 - November 13, 2019 at 2:31 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 13, 2019 at 2:32 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Valkyrie - November 13, 2019 at 2:36 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by LastPoet - November 13, 2019 at 2:44 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by EgoDeath - November 13, 2019 at 2:39 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 13, 2019 at 5:24 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 13, 2019 at 5:44 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 13, 2019 at 5:59 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 13, 2019 at 6:07 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 13, 2019 at 6:16 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by LadyForCamus - November 13, 2019 at 7:20 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 13, 2019 at 7:30 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by LadyForCamus - November 13, 2019 at 9:43 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 13, 2019 at 9:51 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by EgoDeath - November 13, 2019 at 7:35 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 13, 2019 at 7:37 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by EgoDeath - November 18, 2019 at 4:34 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Abaddon_ire - November 18, 2019 at 7:01 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by EgoDeath - November 18, 2019 at 5:25 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 18, 2019 at 6:14 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by EgoDeath - November 19, 2019 at 2:03 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 19, 2019 at 2:46 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by EgoDeath - November 19, 2019 at 3:36 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 13, 2019 at 5:58 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 13, 2019 at 6:04 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 13, 2019 at 6:12 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 13, 2019 at 6:24 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 13, 2019 at 6:51 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 13, 2019 at 7:00 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 13, 2019 at 7:04 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 13, 2019 at 7:07 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 13, 2019 at 7:20 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 13, 2019 at 8:20 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 13, 2019 at 8:34 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by LadyForCamus - November 13, 2019 at 9:51 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 13, 2019 at 10:07 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by LadyForCamus - November 13, 2019 at 10:42 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 14, 2019 at 12:24 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 13, 2019 at 10:54 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 14, 2019 at 12:42 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 14, 2019 at 12:39 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 14, 2019 at 1:07 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 14, 2019 at 6:13 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Mister Agenda - November 14, 2019 at 11:05 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by ronedee - November 14, 2019 at 12:59 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 14, 2019 at 11:18 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 15, 2019 at 11:50 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Mister Agenda - November 15, 2019 at 9:47 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2019 at 11:11 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2019 at 12:04 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 15, 2019 at 12:51 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 15, 2019 at 12:06 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Alex K - November 15, 2019 at 12:37 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2019 at 12:18 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2019 at 1:35 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 15, 2019 at 2:27 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2019 at 2:36 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Industrial Atheist - November 15, 2019 at 9:23 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2019 at 9:48 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 18, 2019 at 6:33 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 18, 2019 at 7:06 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 18, 2019 at 7:10 pm

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