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Jesus' Mission....
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RE: Jesus' Mission....
(November 13, 2019 at 10:42 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:
(November 13, 2019 at 10:07 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Nope, not free, but it's possible I'm still not being clear here as this doesn't seem to be the right analogy. :p

I'll elaborate later.

Yes, please do! I’d like to know if I’m making a logical error here. ❤️

Maybe not a logical error, just maybe debating something different from what I'm talking about.

Let's say, for simplicity's sake, there are two possible worlds A and B. In A, you choose to order pizza. In B, you choose to order sushi. A and B are identical up till the point you differ in your choice.

If by free will, we mean that it is possible to have chosen to do X rather than Y given the same set of prior conditions, then it follows that:

If world A is actual, then you chose to order pizza ... but it was possible for you to have chosen to order sushi instead. Therefore, you had the free will to choose pizza or sushi in world A, even though you end up choosing pizza.

If world B is actual, then you chose to order sushi ... but it was possible for you to have chosen to order pizza instead. Therefore, you had the free will to choose sushi or pizza in world B, even though you end up choosing sushi.

Putting an omniscient being into the equation:

If world A is actual, you had the free will to choose pizza or sushi, ended up choosing pizza, and the omniscient being knew beforehand you would choose pizza.

If world B is actual, you had the free will to choose sushi or pizza, ended up choosing sushi, and the omniscient being knew beforehand you would choose sushi.

In either world, foreknowledge did not revoke your free will, and neither did the actualization of either world.

To repeat, whether you agree that it is possible to do X instead of Y given the same set of prior conditions and whether this could be reasonably deemed free will, this does not specifically address the matter of compatibility (or lack of it) between free will (as defined) and omniscience.

I said no to your question regarding your child partly because meltdowns is not something you choose to have.
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Jesus' Mission.... - by ronedee - November 12, 2019 at 1:44 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Alex K - November 12, 2019 at 1:55 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by LadyForCamus - November 13, 2019 at 3:32 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by brewer - November 12, 2019 at 8:39 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Gwaithmir - November 12, 2019 at 8:47 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Chad32 - November 12, 2019 at 8:50 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Foxaèr - November 12, 2019 at 8:54 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by chimp3 - November 12, 2019 at 9:06 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 12, 2019 at 9:13 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 12, 2019 at 9:12 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Valkyrie - November 12, 2019 at 1:13 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by LastPoet - November 12, 2019 at 9:34 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Chad32 - November 12, 2019 at 9:42 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 13, 2019 at 7:34 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Abaddon_ire - November 12, 2019 at 9:45 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Mister Agenda - November 12, 2019 at 10:03 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Nay_Sayer - November 12, 2019 at 5:53 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 12, 2019 at 6:00 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Nay_Sayer - November 13, 2019 at 2:48 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Chad32 - November 12, 2019 at 8:08 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Valkyrie - November 12, 2019 at 11:11 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Alex K - November 13, 2019 at 8:13 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by brewer - November 13, 2019 at 1:56 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Chad32 - November 13, 2019 at 11:03 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 13, 2019 at 2:28 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Succubus - November 13, 2019 at 5:54 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Chad32 - November 13, 2019 at 2:31 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 13, 2019 at 2:32 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Valkyrie - November 13, 2019 at 2:36 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by LastPoet - November 13, 2019 at 2:44 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by EgoDeath - November 13, 2019 at 2:39 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 13, 2019 at 5:24 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 13, 2019 at 5:44 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 13, 2019 at 5:59 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 13, 2019 at 6:07 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 13, 2019 at 6:16 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by LadyForCamus - November 13, 2019 at 7:20 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 13, 2019 at 7:30 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by LadyForCamus - November 13, 2019 at 9:43 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 13, 2019 at 9:51 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by EgoDeath - November 13, 2019 at 7:35 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 13, 2019 at 7:37 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by EgoDeath - November 18, 2019 at 4:34 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Abaddon_ire - November 18, 2019 at 7:01 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by EgoDeath - November 18, 2019 at 5:25 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 18, 2019 at 6:14 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by EgoDeath - November 19, 2019 at 2:03 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 19, 2019 at 2:46 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by EgoDeath - November 19, 2019 at 3:36 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 13, 2019 at 5:58 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 13, 2019 at 6:04 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 13, 2019 at 6:12 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 13, 2019 at 6:24 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 13, 2019 at 6:51 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 13, 2019 at 7:00 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 13, 2019 at 7:04 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 13, 2019 at 7:07 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 13, 2019 at 7:20 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 13, 2019 at 8:20 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 13, 2019 at 8:34 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by LadyForCamus - November 13, 2019 at 9:51 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 13, 2019 at 10:07 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by LadyForCamus - November 13, 2019 at 10:42 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 14, 2019 at 12:24 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 13, 2019 at 10:54 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 14, 2019 at 12:42 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 14, 2019 at 12:39 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 14, 2019 at 1:07 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 14, 2019 at 6:13 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Mister Agenda - November 14, 2019 at 11:05 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by ronedee - November 14, 2019 at 12:59 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 14, 2019 at 11:18 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 15, 2019 at 11:50 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Mister Agenda - November 15, 2019 at 9:47 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2019 at 11:11 am
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2019 at 12:04 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 15, 2019 at 12:51 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 15, 2019 at 12:06 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Alex K - November 15, 2019 at 12:37 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2019 at 12:18 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2019 at 1:35 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 15, 2019 at 2:27 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2019 at 2:36 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Industrial Atheist - November 15, 2019 at 9:23 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2019 at 9:48 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 18, 2019 at 6:33 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by Grandizer - November 18, 2019 at 7:06 pm
RE: Jesus' Mission.... - by The Grand Nudger - November 18, 2019 at 7:10 pm

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