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Special Relativity. Lifetime.
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RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime.
(November 30, 2019 at 8:45 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(November 30, 2019 at 8:33 am)ThinkingIsThinking Wrote: Of course it is. The senses are measuring devices, empiricism relies on the senses and science relies on empiricism. Science obviously enhances the measuring with tools and methods ... hence why it's a big ol' measuring device.

Science is a measuring device--and none the worse for it.

Nah, mate.  Science is a methodology that uses measuring devices.  It's like saying if you drive, it means you're a car.

Boru

I'm clearly not talking about literal measuring devices. I'm not saying that science is a tape measure. And if I did I hope it would be clear that it was a metaphor.

The point was: that's what science does ... measure things. That's what the methodology is for. Sure, some people may say it's for finding the truth and stuff like that. Well, sure, that's fine, but you obviously can only find out truths that you're able to measure ... its function is measuring. And you can't know that you're actually measuring something beyond what you, and others like you, are perceiving. So it does not surprise me at all that observation sometimes appears to make subatomic particles behave differently. It could appear that way because we think we're looking at particles when really we're just looking at what looks like particles. It would be odd if observation didn't appear to affect reality when the only reality that we know is observation.

So, the point is that the knowledge is just knowledge of our own human sense-experience ... whether we extend it with tools or not ... because the tools themselves are also only known throughout our human sense-experience.

There could be advanced aliens out there who experience the world so differently that their scientific 'facts' completely contradict our scientific 'facts' and we couldn't say that theirs were wrong and ours are right.... or vice versa. So the point is that even theoretical science is ultimately entirely empirical and we don't really know how reality is in itself.
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Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by Stoneheart - November 21, 2019 at 9:00 pm
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by Little lunch - November 21, 2019 at 9:36 pm
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by Stoneheart - November 21, 2019 at 9:57 pm
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by Peebo-Thuhlu - November 21, 2019 at 10:28 pm
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by Stoneheart - November 21, 2019 at 10:45 pm
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by Fireball - November 21, 2019 at 10:31 pm
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by The Grand Nudger - November 21, 2019 at 10:56 pm
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by Alex K - November 22, 2019 at 1:39 am
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by ignoramus - November 22, 2019 at 3:46 am
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by Alex K - November 22, 2019 at 4:08 am
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by ignoramus - November 22, 2019 at 4:51 am
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by Alex K - November 22, 2019 at 5:18 am
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 22, 2019 at 5:47 am
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by brewer - November 22, 2019 at 8:45 am
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by Stoneheart - November 22, 2019 at 5:49 pm
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by Athene - November 22, 2019 at 7:10 pm
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by LastPoet - November 23, 2019 at 7:25 am
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by Stoneheart - November 23, 2019 at 5:08 pm
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by Athene - November 23, 2019 at 8:50 pm
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by Stoneheart - November 23, 2019 at 10:43 pm
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by Athene - November 25, 2019 at 12:41 am
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by Nay_Sayer - November 24, 2019 at 2:09 am
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by zebo-the-fat - November 22, 2019 at 1:05 pm
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by The Grand Nudger - November 22, 2019 at 1:33 pm
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by Alex K - November 22, 2019 at 4:06 pm
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by LastPoet - November 22, 2019 at 4:11 pm
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by The Grand Nudger - November 22, 2019 at 4:08 pm
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by The Grand Nudger - November 22, 2019 at 6:08 pm
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by Alex K - November 22, 2019 at 6:10 pm
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by Stoneheart - November 22, 2019 at 6:19 pm
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 23, 2019 at 7:39 am
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by Stoneheart - November 23, 2019 at 4:41 pm
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 23, 2019 at 4:51 pm
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by Stoneheart - November 23, 2019 at 5:17 pm
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 23, 2019 at 5:34 pm
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by Stoneheart - November 23, 2019 at 7:42 pm
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 23, 2019 at 8:32 pm
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by Succubus - November 25, 2019 at 10:55 am
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by The Grand Nudger - November 22, 2019 at 6:12 pm
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RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by ignoramus - November 23, 2019 at 2:41 am
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by Athene - November 23, 2019 at 3:34 am
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 23, 2019 at 5:12 pm
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by ignoramus - November 23, 2019 at 5:27 pm
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 23, 2019 at 5:32 pm
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by The Grand Nudger - November 23, 2019 at 9:38 pm
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by The Grand Nudger - November 24, 2019 at 3:47 am
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by The Grand Nudger - November 26, 2019 at 9:56 am
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by Succubus - November 26, 2019 at 5:26 pm
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by Stoneheart - November 26, 2019 at 8:21 pm
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by Succubus - November 27, 2019 at 12:22 am
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by The Grand Nudger - November 26, 2019 at 9:00 pm
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by Stoneheart - November 26, 2019 at 9:18 pm
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RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by Athene - November 26, 2019 at 11:12 pm
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by Stoneheart - November 27, 2019 at 2:15 am
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by The Grand Nudger - November 27, 2019 at 10:11 am
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 27, 2019 at 10:29 am
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by ThinkingIsThinking - November 27, 2019 at 5:23 pm
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by Alex K - November 28, 2019 at 1:45 am
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by LastPoet - November 28, 2019 at 4:10 am
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RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by LastPoet - November 29, 2019 at 12:16 pm
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by ThinkingIsThinking - November 30, 2019 at 8:26 am
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 30, 2019 at 8:29 am
RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by ThinkingIsThinking - November 30, 2019 at 8:33 am
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RE: Special Relativity. Lifetime. - by Stoneheart - November 28, 2019 at 9:18 pm
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