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Scripture for Trinitarians
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Scripture for Trinitarians
Here are a few choice passages in the Bible:

Quote:Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

The voice from Heaven is presumably Yahweh, speaking of Jesus in the 3rd person.

Quote:Matthew 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

Jesus claims to have a separate will from his Father and states that he is subordinate to the will of his Father.

Quote:Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Jesus cries out that he has been forsaken by his Father, an event only possible if his Father is a separate being.

Quote: Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Jesus claims not to have knowledge that his Father has.

Quote:Luke 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son;in thee I am well pleased.

Yahweh speaks to Jesus in the second person.

Quote:Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit:

Jesus speaks to Yahweh in the second person.

Quote:John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Jesus claims to be the intercessor for his "Father". Being an intercessor for another person requires that he be a separate being from that person. Otherwise, this quote would be a tautology, "no man comes unto me but by me".

The reason I present all these quotes is to put aside all the analogies Christians like to use regarding the Trinity. The Ice-water-steam and the "I'm a father and yet also a son" analogies fail to explain why the above character could be part of the same God being and yet a separate person with a different will, set of knowledge and be his own intercessor.
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"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
...      -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
...       -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
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Scripture for Trinitarians - by DeistPaladin - October 21, 2011 at 12:05 am
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by Justtristo - October 21, 2011 at 12:15 am
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by Minimalist - October 21, 2011 at 1:28 am
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by Minimalist - October 21, 2011 at 3:15 am
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by thesummerqueen - October 21, 2011 at 6:08 am
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by Minimalist - October 21, 2011 at 12:29 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by thesummerqueen - October 21, 2011 at 12:31 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by Minimalist - October 21, 2011 at 12:33 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by Cyberman - October 22, 2011 at 11:50 am
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by Minimalist - October 22, 2011 at 12:19 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by Strongbad - October 22, 2011 at 7:46 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by DeistPaladin - October 22, 2011 at 11:28 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by lucent - October 24, 2011 at 8:09 am
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by DeistPaladin - October 24, 2011 at 8:34 am
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by lucent - October 24, 2011 at 9:19 am
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by frankiej - October 24, 2011 at 9:29 am
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by Strongbad - October 24, 2011 at 2:14 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by DeistPaladin - October 24, 2011 at 2:41 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by lucent - October 24, 2011 at 3:24 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by DeistPaladin - October 24, 2011 at 3:50 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by lucent - October 24, 2011 at 5:07 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by DeistPaladin - October 24, 2011 at 6:04 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by lucent - October 24, 2011 at 7:58 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by DeistPaladin - October 24, 2011 at 9:26 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by lucent - October 25, 2011 at 1:04 am
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by Cinjin - October 25, 2011 at 3:13 am
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by DeistPaladin - October 25, 2011 at 11:04 am
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by lucent - October 26, 2011 at 6:23 am
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by DeistPaladin - October 26, 2011 at 9:20 am
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by lucent - October 26, 2011 at 10:23 am
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by Minimalist - October 24, 2011 at 3:45 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by Angrboda - October 24, 2011 at 3:13 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by frankiej - October 24, 2011 at 8:20 am
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by The Grand Nudger - October 24, 2011 at 5:50 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by Minimalist - October 24, 2011 at 10:24 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by DeistPaladin - October 24, 2011 at 10:35 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by Minimalist - October 24, 2011 at 10:38 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by Cinjin - October 24, 2011 at 11:09 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by Minimalist - October 25, 2011 at 2:57 am
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by lucent - October 25, 2011 at 3:51 am
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by KichigaiNeko - October 25, 2011 at 7:38 am
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by Minimalist - October 25, 2011 at 11:31 am
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by The Grand Nudger - October 25, 2011 at 3:17 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by Cyberman - October 25, 2011 at 4:12 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by lucent - October 26, 2011 at 7:32 am
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by Cyberman - October 27, 2011 at 6:01 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by lucent - October 27, 2011 at 6:27 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by Minimalist - October 25, 2011 at 4:26 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by DeistPaladin - October 25, 2011 at 6:23 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by Cinjin - October 25, 2011 at 11:18 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by The Grand Nudger - October 25, 2011 at 11:19 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by Cinjin - October 25, 2011 at 11:40 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by DeistPaladin - October 26, 2011 at 12:39 am
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by Cinjin - October 26, 2011 at 12:42 am
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by DeistPaladin - October 26, 2011 at 12:50 am
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by Minimalist - October 26, 2011 at 2:00 am
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by KichigaiNeko - October 26, 2011 at 8:30 am
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by The Grand Nudger - October 26, 2011 at 11:03 am
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by Cinjin - October 26, 2011 at 11:30 am
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by DeistPaladin - October 26, 2011 at 12:09 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by lucent - October 26, 2011 at 6:31 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by DeistPaladin - October 26, 2011 at 8:20 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by The Grand Nudger - October 26, 2011 at 12:16 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by DeistPaladin - October 26, 2011 at 12:37 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by Cinjin - October 26, 2011 at 12:31 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by The Grand Nudger - October 26, 2011 at 12:35 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by Justtristo - October 26, 2011 at 10:41 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by The Grand Nudger - October 26, 2011 at 1:36 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by Cinjin - October 26, 2011 at 3:08 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by Minimalist - October 26, 2011 at 3:16 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by Cinjin - October 26, 2011 at 7:52 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by The Grand Nudger - October 26, 2011 at 8:37 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by DeistPaladin - October 26, 2011 at 8:54 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by The Grand Nudger - October 26, 2011 at 9:00 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by Minimalist - October 26, 2011 at 10:29 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by The Grand Nudger - October 26, 2011 at 11:00 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by Justtristo - October 27, 2011 at 2:02 am
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by The Grand Nudger - October 27, 2011 at 6:37 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by Minimalist - October 27, 2011 at 6:48 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by Cyberman - October 27, 2011 at 6:51 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by Cinjin - October 27, 2011 at 7:32 pm
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by KichigaiNeko - October 28, 2011 at 7:59 am
RE: Scripture for Trinitarians - by Cyberman - October 28, 2011 at 8:08 pm

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