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Hell is justified.
RE: Hell is justified.
(February 19, 2020 at 5:08 pm)Chad32 Wrote:
(February 19, 2020 at 4:52 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: The exception is that God is a rational entity. He acts with constraints that he himself obligated himself to act upon; the Quran -which I believe in- listed many of these constraints.

Animals are not rational. The "mercy" for example is a constraint that God obligated himself to; thus you can see people "live, love, smile, laugh...", but "justice" is also another obligation God has; thus hell and suffering exist.

We're also rational being with constraints, but most of us don't derive pleasure from torture and killing. In fact we don't generally kill at all, if we can help it. Except for that low percent of the population that are psychopaths. Now if your god is so powerful, and so knowledgeable, he should be able to figure out solutions that don't involve killing people, but he chooses to do it. He declared that everyone deserves death since the day they're born. So he's a psychopath who doesn't understand mercy, or justice. When you're only merciful to those who worship you, that's not real mercy. Even Hitler could show that kind of mercy.

Pleasure is not among the constraints that God acts upon; actually the Quran states explicitly that God "didn't create the universe to play":

Quote:Sura 44, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh

( 38 )   And We did not create the heavens and earth and that between them in play.
( 39 )   We did not create them except in truth, but most of them do not know.


So "pleasure" is a feature incompatible to the God I believe in.

(February 19, 2020 at 5:28 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
Quote:Animals are not rational. The "mercy" for example is a constraint that God obligated himself to; thus you can see people "live, love, smile, laugh...", but "justice" is also another obligation God has; thus hell and suffering exist.

One cannot be both merciful and just.  Justice negates mercy.

Boru

Yes they can in my opinion.
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Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 14, 2020 at 10:23 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by brewer - February 14, 2020 at 10:59 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Peebo-Thuhlu - February 15, 2020 at 2:32 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 15, 2020 at 4:22 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Abaddon_ire - February 15, 2020 at 6:21 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Deesse23 - February 15, 2020 at 6:28 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 18, 2020 at 11:45 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Deesse23 - February 18, 2020 at 12:52 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 18, 2020 at 1:12 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Deesse23 - February 18, 2020 at 1:49 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 18, 2020 at 11:47 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Deesse23 - February 15, 2020 at 3:21 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by downbeatplumb - February 15, 2020 at 5:05 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by zebo-the-fat - February 15, 2020 at 7:06 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 15, 2020 at 7:33 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Fake Messiah - February 15, 2020 at 7:55 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 15, 2020 at 8:10 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 15, 2020 at 8:12 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Fake Messiah - February 15, 2020 at 8:49 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 15, 2020 at 8:51 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Belacqua - February 15, 2020 at 9:04 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 18, 2020 at 4:12 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Foxaèr - February 15, 2020 at 9:12 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Chad32 - February 15, 2020 at 9:29 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by purplepurpose - February 15, 2020 at 10:33 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 15, 2020 at 11:11 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by JackRussell - February 15, 2020 at 1:50 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 16, 2020 at 6:27 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 16, 2020 at 6:54 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Architect Of Fate - February 15, 2020 at 1:58 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 15, 2020 at 2:21 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Nay_Sayer - February 15, 2020 at 9:37 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by GUBU - February 16, 2020 at 4:47 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 16, 2020 at 6:56 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 16, 2020 at 7:35 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Deesse23 - February 16, 2020 at 8:18 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Chad32 - February 16, 2020 at 9:15 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by arewethereyet - February 16, 2020 at 9:49 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Chad32 - February 16, 2020 at 9:55 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Simon Moon - February 16, 2020 at 2:19 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 16, 2020 at 3:12 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Deesse23 - February 16, 2020 at 4:11 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Chad32 - February 16, 2020 at 3:29 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 16, 2020 at 3:38 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Architect Of Fate - February 16, 2020 at 5:04 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Rhizomorph13 - February 16, 2020 at 5:24 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Valkyrie - February 16, 2020 at 5:27 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Mister Agenda - February 17, 2020 at 2:28 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 17, 2020 at 2:44 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Brian37 - February 17, 2020 at 3:21 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Deesse23 - February 18, 2020 at 2:57 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 17, 2020 at 3:34 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Rhizomorph13 - February 17, 2020 at 4:30 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 17, 2020 at 3:37 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 17, 2020 at 5:11 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 17, 2020 at 5:55 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 17, 2020 at 6:55 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Brian37 - February 19, 2020 at 12:51 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Mister Agenda - February 19, 2020 at 1:12 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 19, 2020 at 1:16 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Brian37 - February 17, 2020 at 8:05 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 17, 2020 at 8:18 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Brian37 - February 17, 2020 at 8:26 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 17, 2020 at 8:30 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by no one - February 17, 2020 at 8:22 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Brian37 - February 17, 2020 at 8:35 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Peebo-Thuhlu - February 18, 2020 at 3:25 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 18, 2020 at 8:44 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Chad32 - February 18, 2020 at 12:52 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 18, 2020 at 11:47 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 18, 2020 at 11:51 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 18, 2020 at 11:50 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 18, 2020 at 11:53 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 18, 2020 at 12:04 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Nay_Sayer - February 18, 2020 at 12:13 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 18, 2020 at 12:25 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 18, 2020 at 1:05 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 18, 2020 at 1:09 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 18, 2020 at 1:13 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 18, 2020 at 1:37 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 18, 2020 at 2:08 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Nay_Sayer - February 18, 2020 at 4:04 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by LastPoet - February 18, 2020 at 2:45 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 18, 2020 at 4:15 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 18, 2020 at 4:22 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 18, 2020 at 4:27 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 18, 2020 at 5:58 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 18, 2020 at 6:22 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Chad32 - February 18, 2020 at 6:48 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 18, 2020 at 8:11 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Chad32 - February 18, 2020 at 9:27 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 18, 2020 at 11:08 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 19, 2020 at 7:48 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 19, 2020 at 4:15 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Abaddon_ire - February 20, 2020 at 9:23 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Abaddon_ire - February 19, 2020 at 9:56 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Mister Agenda - February 19, 2020 at 11:16 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 19, 2020 at 4:52 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Chad32 - February 19, 2020 at 5:08 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 20, 2020 at 5:38 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 20, 2020 at 7:01 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Deesse23 - February 20, 2020 at 7:33 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Chad32 - February 20, 2020 at 9:18 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 21, 2020 at 11:00 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Chad32 - February 21, 2020 at 11:36 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 21, 2020 at 12:58 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Chad32 - February 21, 2020 at 1:53 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 21, 2020 at 2:46 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Chad32 - February 21, 2020 at 2:55 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 21, 2020 at 3:17 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 21, 2020 at 1:43 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Mister Agenda - February 20, 2020 at 10:53 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Architect Of Fate - February 18, 2020 at 8:14 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 19, 2020 at 1:07 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Brian37 - February 19, 2020 at 2:07 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 19, 2020 at 2:39 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by arewethereyet - February 19, 2020 at 3:23 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 19, 2020 at 1:17 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 19, 2020 at 1:31 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 19, 2020 at 1:35 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 19, 2020 at 2:31 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 19, 2020 at 4:27 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 19, 2020 at 4:54 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 19, 2020 at 5:28 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 19, 2020 at 6:12 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Architect Of Fate - February 19, 2020 at 5:37 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 20, 2020 at 7:30 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by tackattack - February 20, 2020 at 11:44 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 20, 2020 at 12:06 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by LastPoet - February 20, 2020 at 1:24 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 20, 2020 at 2:34 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by LastPoet - February 22, 2020 at 1:02 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 22, 2020 at 1:31 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Abaddon_ire - February 20, 2020 at 12:26 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Chad32 - February 20, 2020 at 12:30 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 20, 2020 at 11:55 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 21, 2020 at 11:25 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 21, 2020 at 1:02 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 21, 2020 at 2:22 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 21, 2020 at 2:31 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 21, 2020 at 3:03 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Mr Greene - February 21, 2020 at 1:15 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 21, 2020 at 1:50 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by LastPoet - February 21, 2020 at 2:43 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 21, 2020 at 2:45 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 21, 2020 at 3:18 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 21, 2020 at 2:49 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by tackattack - February 21, 2020 at 3:19 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Mr Greene - February 21, 2020 at 6:27 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 21, 2020 at 6:57 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 22, 2020 at 4:58 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 22, 2020 at 8:18 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 22, 2020 at 8:47 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 25, 2020 at 9:35 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Mr Greene - February 23, 2020 at 8:18 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 21, 2020 at 8:29 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 22, 2020 at 7:41 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 22, 2020 at 7:47 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 22, 2020 at 8:36 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 22, 2020 at 8:49 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 22, 2020 at 9:00 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 22, 2020 at 9:28 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 22, 2020 at 9:37 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 22, 2020 at 9:48 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 22, 2020 at 8:50 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 22, 2020 at 9:50 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by tackattack - February 24, 2020 at 11:35 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 24, 2020 at 1:17 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 24, 2020 at 1:28 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Mister Agenda - February 24, 2020 at 11:38 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Foxaèr - February 24, 2020 at 11:42 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 24, 2020 at 1:40 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 25, 2020 at 9:51 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 25, 2020 at 10:10 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 25, 2020 at 12:27 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 25, 2020 at 2:00 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 25, 2020 at 2:16 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 25, 2020 at 5:01 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 25, 2020 at 5:07 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 25, 2020 at 6:58 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 25, 2020 at 9:39 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 26, 2020 at 7:07 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 26, 2020 at 7:12 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 26, 2020 at 9:17 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 26, 2020 at 9:24 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 26, 2020 at 12:32 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 26, 2020 at 12:50 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 27, 2020 at 1:58 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 27, 2020 at 2:15 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 28, 2020 at 9:59 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Abaddon_ire - February 26, 2020 at 2:10 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Mister Agenda - February 27, 2020 at 9:38 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Deesse23 - February 27, 2020 at 11:57 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 25, 2020 at 2:22 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Brian37 - February 25, 2020 at 1:34 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 25, 2020 at 10:11 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Mister Agenda - February 25, 2020 at 10:40 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 25, 2020 at 12:10 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Deesse23 - February 25, 2020 at 1:36 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 25, 2020 at 1:43 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Mister Agenda - February 26, 2020 at 10:20 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 26, 2020 at 10:41 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Deesse23 - February 25, 2020 at 2:20 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by WinterHold - February 25, 2020 at 5:14 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 25, 2020 at 8:23 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Deesse23 - February 26, 2020 at 2:51 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 25, 2020 at 5:19 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Mr Greene - February 25, 2020 at 9:44 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 26, 2020 at 8:02 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by LastPoet - February 26, 2020 at 9:25 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 26, 2020 at 10:12 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 27, 2020 at 9:45 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 27, 2020 at 4:49 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 27, 2020 at 4:57 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 29, 2020 at 6:16 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by LastPoet - February 29, 2020 at 6:21 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - February 29, 2020 at 9:34 am
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 29, 2020 at 12:48 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 29, 2020 at 1:11 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 29, 2020 at 2:29 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 29, 2020 at 2:54 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 29, 2020 at 2:59 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by SuicideCommando01 - April 26, 2020 at 3:14 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by theMadJW - April 26, 2020 at 4:54 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by SuicideCommando01 - April 26, 2020 at 5:54 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Mr Greene - April 26, 2020 at 4:57 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by theMadJW - April 26, 2020 at 5:02 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Fake Messiah - April 26, 2020 at 5:10 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by theMadJW - April 26, 2020 at 8:25 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by SuicideCommando01 - April 26, 2020 at 9:41 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by theMadJW - April 30, 2020 at 1:54 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by Gawdzilla Sama - April 30, 2020 at 3:31 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by The Grand Nudger - April 30, 2020 at 2:23 pm
RE: Hell is justified. - by theMadJW - April 30, 2020 at 3:49 pm

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