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[Serious] Giordano Bruno
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RE: Giordano Bruno
(February 18, 2020 at 11:01 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Good point Bel, he was not executed for science, he was executed for thinking and speaking (rather unscientific for the most part) ideas the church disapproved of. He was more a martyr for free speech.

(February 20, 2020 at 4:02 pm)brewer Wrote:
(February 20, 2020 at 2:09 pm)TimOneill Wrote: No, that is a list of some of the things Bruno was questioned about in his earlier inquiry before the Ventian Inquisition. He was questioned about a lot of things. That doesn't mean he was condemned on account of all of them. We know that he wasn't condemned for accepting heliocentrism as part of his mystical cosmology, because the Roman Inquisition worked by case law and precedent. Bruno was condemned by the Roman Inquisition in 1599. Seventeen years later Cardinal Bellarmine, the same Inquisitor who tried Bruno, headed up an inquiry into the writings of Galileo that centred on the question of whether heliocentrism contradicted the traditional interpretation of certain passages of Scripture. This inquiry would not have been necessary if a ruling had already been made on that point back in 1599 - they would simply have pointed to that precedent. 

The fact they didn't means that, while Bruno may have been questioned about his eccentric and mystical form of heliocentrism, that did not form part of his condemnation. (See Thomas F. Mayer The Roman Inquisition: A Papal Bureaucracy and Its Laws in the Age of Galileo, University of Pennsylvania Press, 2013, p.152, 169 and the Inquistions use of precedent in this period).

So, you and Thomas Mayer speak for the Vatican now, got it, good for both of you.

Um........... Tom didn't happen to be catholic did he?

That response makes no sense as a reply to anything I've said. "Speak for the Vatican"? What are you talking about?
And I have no idea if Mayer was a Catholic or not. I do know that he was a respected historian whose works are regarded as key scholarly monographs on the subject of early modern Catholic jurisprudence and are widely cited by scholars of this period.

Do you actually have anything of substance to say about the evidence I note above or are weak sneers and attempted slurs all you have? Why are so many people here so weirdly irrational?
Tim O'Neill

History for Atheists - New Atheists Getting History Wrong
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Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 18, 2020 at 7:13 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 18, 2020 at 7:32 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 18, 2020 at 7:33 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 18, 2020 at 7:34 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 18, 2020 at 7:46 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 18, 2020 at 8:17 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 18, 2020 at 9:25 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 18, 2020 at 5:32 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 18, 2020 at 6:36 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 18, 2020 at 6:58 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Mister Agenda - February 19, 2020 at 10:54 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 19, 2020 at 4:17 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Fireball - February 19, 2020 at 8:49 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 20, 2020 at 12:52 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 20, 2020 at 7:27 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 20, 2020 at 7:54 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Fake Messiah - February 20, 2020 at 8:30 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by TimOneill - February 20, 2020 at 2:09 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by brewer - February 20, 2020 at 4:02 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by TimOneill - February 20, 2020 at 4:18 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Fake Messiah - February 20, 2020 at 4:35 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by TimOneill - February 20, 2020 at 4:39 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 20, 2020 at 5:51 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Mister Agenda - February 21, 2020 at 10:24 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by TimOneill - February 21, 2020 at 10:56 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by brewer - February 21, 2020 at 11:58 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by brewer - February 20, 2020 at 4:49 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by TimOneill - February 20, 2020 at 6:46 pm
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RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 20, 2020 at 8:17 pm
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RE: Giordano Bruno - by TimOneill - February 21, 2020 at 12:10 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by TimOneill - February 20, 2020 at 8:38 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by The Architect Of Fate - February 20, 2020 at 9:37 pm
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RE: Giordano Bruno - by brewer - February 20, 2020 at 11:48 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by The Architect Of Fate - February 21, 2020 at 12:16 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by TimOneill - February 21, 2020 at 12:19 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by The Architect Of Fate - February 21, 2020 at 12:28 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Mister Agenda - February 20, 2020 at 10:47 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by The Grand Nudger - February 18, 2020 at 8:37 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by The Architect Of Fate - February 18, 2020 at 9:30 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by TimOneill - February 18, 2020 at 1:59 pm
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RE: Giordano Bruno - by TimOneill - February 18, 2020 at 6:38 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Mister Agenda - February 18, 2020 at 11:01 am
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RE: Giordano Bruno - by TimOneill - February 18, 2020 at 6:56 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by The Architect Of Fate - February 18, 2020 at 7:04 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by TimOneill - February 18, 2020 at 7:09 pm
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RE: Giordano Bruno - by TimOneill - February 18, 2020 at 7:22 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by The Architect Of Fate - February 18, 2020 at 7:28 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by chimp3 - February 18, 2020 at 8:18 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 19, 2020 at 12:47 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 19, 2020 at 3:24 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by The Grand Nudger - February 19, 2020 at 8:35 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by The Grand Nudger - February 20, 2020 at 1:13 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Deesse23 - February 20, 2020 at 7:39 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by brewer - February 20, 2020 at 8:44 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by brewer - February 20, 2020 at 11:49 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 21, 2020 at 5:09 am
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RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 21, 2020 at 6:37 pm
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RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 21, 2020 at 7:25 pm
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RE: Giordano Bruno - by The Architect Of Fate - February 21, 2020 at 8:12 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 21, 2020 at 8:35 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by brewer - February 21, 2020 at 10:26 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 21, 2020 at 10:41 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by The Architect Of Fate - February 21, 2020 at 9:19 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 21, 2020 at 7:31 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 21, 2020 at 7:32 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 21, 2020 at 7:37 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 21, 2020 at 8:09 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by The Architect Of Fate - February 21, 2020 at 8:58 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by brewer - February 21, 2020 at 10:46 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 21, 2020 at 11:18 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 22, 2020 at 12:25 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by brewer - February 22, 2020 at 8:45 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 22, 2020 at 7:27 pm
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RE: Giordano Bruno - by Belacqua - February 22, 2020 at 8:56 pm
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RE: Giordano Bruno - by Abaddon_ire - February 23, 2020 at 12:24 am
RE: Giordano Bruno - by The Architect Of Fate - February 22, 2020 at 7:32 pm
RE: Giordano Bruno - by The Architect Of Fate - February 22, 2020 at 9:12 pm



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