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#BernieOrBust2020
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RE: #BernieOrBust2020
(March 5, 2020 at 7:12 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:
(March 5, 2020 at 7:06 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Reagan got taking down the Soviet Union right, and did it with fanese, not a sledge hammer. He took them down without starting WW3. That was a good thing. But he fucked up most certainly by giving big business everything they wanted by starting union busting and deregulation. That part of his legacy was bad, and America has suffered ever since.

When we talk about the history of that office, regardless of party, there are very few Lincoln's, FDR'S, JFK'S or Reagan's. Now when I say that, I am not talking about party or policy, but the "it factor".   Obama had that "it factor".  "Trump doesn't have that, but he does have a "Jerry Springer" factor. We don't need that in politics. 

My point is, nobody should be pointing at Bernie or Biden to have a repeat of 2016.  The only enemy right now is Trump.
Then we disagree because biden will have a 2016

And you will be partly responsible for said 2016. Just like happened four years ago. There's a Hell of a lot to criticise Biden and the Democratic establishment for, but unless you live in one of those states that no Democrat has taken in several decades, the only possible outcomes are: it fails because there aren't enough Busters to make a difference, or it ends with Donald Trump getting a second fucking term because some Dems were too wrapped up in their principles to actually see who the real enemy was and vote for the one candidate who has ANY chance to beat him.





You can argue that Biden's too stodgy and with too much baggage to beat Trump and that Bernie's the only one with the sort of strident following to actually get people off their asses and vote or that Bernie's too radical to beat Trump and that Biden's the only one who can pull off not alienating Middle America. I'm more convinced by the former camp, and I'm really looking forward to voting for Bernie when the Illinois primary comes. And hopefully, in November, if all goes well, I'll be voting for him for a third time. Regardless of whatever you might predict about the behaviour of crowds, one thing is crystal clear: The ONLY person who can beat Trump is the Democratic candidate. Even if said candidate is as crap as Joe Biden, he still has infinitely more chance to beat him than anyone else simply because he has the Democratic nomination and nobody else does.

The old saying "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take" really fucking applies here. The only thing (short of an actual coup) that you can do to take out Trump is by voting for the Democratic candidate. I'd be really fucking disappointed if Biden ended up the nominee, but it would require a stupefying level of delusion to think that Biden can be worse than Trump.
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#BernieOrBust2020 - by Mechaghostman2 - March 4, 2020 at 3:34 pm
RE: #BernieOrBust2020 - by AFTT47 - March 4, 2020 at 10:40 pm
RE: #BernieOrBust2020 - by Shell B - March 4, 2020 at 11:18 pm
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RE: #BernieOrBust2020 - by Shell B - March 5, 2020 at 5:09 pm
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RE: #BernieOrBust2020 - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 5, 2020 at 5:27 pm
RE: #BernieOrBust2020 - by Shell B - March 5, 2020 at 8:50 pm
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RE: #BernieOrBust2020 - by Chad32 - March 5, 2020 at 12:04 am
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RE: #BernieOrBust2020 - by Rev. Rye - March 5, 2020 at 1:16 am
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RE: #BernieOrBust2020 - by Brian37 - March 5, 2020 at 7:06 pm
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