RE: Pax et bonum from Italy and Quelo
April 11, 2020 at 5:06 am
(This post was last modified: April 11, 2020 at 5:12 am by The Valkyrie.)
Okay, most of this is far outside the scope of an introduction thread.
I'll answer most of the points raised as best I can, since I'm really tired right now and need sleep.
Background:
I was raised Catholic and was extremely devout in my younger years (get 'em when they're young), until I started asking questions that no one wanted to try to answer directly, throwing in such words as "faith" and "believe".
I finally declared myself an atheist at the age of 13, much to the disgust of my still very Catholic mother and her family.
A number of years later I had a really bad motorcycle accident (not my fault) and while the ambulance crew was in attendance, my heart stopped for nearly two minutes.
No NDE, no pleasant (or unpleasant) visions of an afterlife, or family. No heaven or hell.
Nothing.
Just darkness.
NDEs have a rational scientific explanation. An interesting feature of the reported NDEs are that the people who "experience" them always see what they're culturally inducted to see, even the atheists.
This is why you never have a Muslim "seeing" the Christian heaven or a Christian experiencing the Hindu afterlife.
Now the current pandemic...
Babies: citation needed.
Africa: It has killed people in Africa. It has yet to reach many places in Africa because travel into Africa ( and South America) isn't on tge same level as we see in the industrialised countries. Also, many countries went into lockdown before it could spread into parts of the world that are less travelled.
Poor immigrants: citation needed. I'm not going to accept a claim.
Refugee claim: If this was a punishment from a deity about the treatment of refugees, I wonder what kind of monster would target the elderly and vulnerable instead of the people who impliment said policies? It seems such a being is cruel, vindictive, and not worthy of my attention, let alone my devotion.
Other claims: It comes down to the response of the countries. Germany locked down fairly quickly. America, frankly, is full of idiots who think about themselves and not others (look at the idiots who went on spring break or insist on having huge church gatherings anyway).
NZ has had one death. Is that because they're a good little country who have the favour of this particular being (except that one person, of course) or because of the response of the government and health sector?
Finally, if your simple goal is to come here and try to convert us to your religion, I advise giving it up right now. We've heard all the arguments before.
Just ask our other religious people who are trying to convert us.
It won't work.
I'll answer most of the points raised as best I can, since I'm really tired right now and need sleep.
Background:
I was raised Catholic and was extremely devout in my younger years (get 'em when they're young), until I started asking questions that no one wanted to try to answer directly, throwing in such words as "faith" and "believe".
I finally declared myself an atheist at the age of 13, much to the disgust of my still very Catholic mother and her family.
A number of years later I had a really bad motorcycle accident (not my fault) and while the ambulance crew was in attendance, my heart stopped for nearly two minutes.
No NDE, no pleasant (or unpleasant) visions of an afterlife, or family. No heaven or hell.
Nothing.
Just darkness.
NDEs have a rational scientific explanation. An interesting feature of the reported NDEs are that the people who "experience" them always see what they're culturally inducted to see, even the atheists.
This is why you never have a Muslim "seeing" the Christian heaven or a Christian experiencing the Hindu afterlife.
Now the current pandemic...
Babies: citation needed.
Africa: It has killed people in Africa. It has yet to reach many places in Africa because travel into Africa ( and South America) isn't on tge same level as we see in the industrialised countries. Also, many countries went into lockdown before it could spread into parts of the world that are less travelled.
Poor immigrants: citation needed. I'm not going to accept a claim.
Refugee claim: If this was a punishment from a deity about the treatment of refugees, I wonder what kind of monster would target the elderly and vulnerable instead of the people who impliment said policies? It seems such a being is cruel, vindictive, and not worthy of my attention, let alone my devotion.
Other claims: It comes down to the response of the countries. Germany locked down fairly quickly. America, frankly, is full of idiots who think about themselves and not others (look at the idiots who went on spring break or insist on having huge church gatherings anyway).
NZ has had one death. Is that because they're a good little country who have the favour of this particular being (except that one person, of course) or because of the response of the government and health sector?
Finally, if your simple goal is to come here and try to convert us to your religion, I advise giving it up right now. We've heard all the arguments before.
Just ask our other religious people who are trying to convert us.
It won't work.
Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni:
"You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???"
