(October 14, 2011 at 9:37 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Creation journals? I'm sorry I thought we were talking science.
We are talking science. I didn’t even use anything from the actual Journal of Creation because we are having a lay person’s discussion here and it would have gone over your head.
Quote: (do you get to link creation journals often at the USDA btw?)
Nope, but they don’t allow Wikipedia to be cited here (at the USDA) either and that doesn’t seem to stop you from using it.
(October 15, 2011 at 7:25 am)Stue Denim Wrote: You've broken it down as though having the level of intelligence required to do calculus, without actually knowing calculus, is just a waste of brainpower. Having x level of intelligence will allow you to do/learn lots of new things (compared to a lower level of intelligence), and do/learn other things at faster rates, calculus is but one ability amongst many. It's not that they weren't using their intelligence, just that they were not using it to do calculus. Calculus is simply yet another ability that is hypothetically available to people (and space Empresses) with x level intelligence (and other features: memory, language, attention and whatnot).
I feel you are kind of cheating here by creating a false distinction. If you are a naturalist, which I believe you are, you cannot make a distinction between physical capacity & abilities and mental capacity & abilities as you have done here. Evolutionally animals could not gain the physical ability to do something that is not providing a survival advantage. Since mental ability is determined by the chemical interactions in the brain (from a naturalistic perspective) this cannot be an exception to the observed rule. Humans’ mental ability to do something and actually doing that very thing would have to occur simultaneously according to Darwinian Theory.
(October 15, 2011 at 10:59 am)IATIA Wrote: They are still Homo Sapiens.That’s a cop out. What were the two parents of the first Homo Sapien like? What made them not Homo Sapiens? You can’t say that Homo Sapiens have not changed in the last 50,000 years (roughly 2,000 generations) but then the first Homo Sapien was so different from his or her parents (a single generation) that he or she would be classified as something completely different. Your theory doesn’t hold up to the evidence.
(October 16, 2011 at 9:22 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: It takes a looooonnnng time for speciation to occur thats why aboriginal people are still homo sapiens after a quite long separation.
Its one of the ways we know that the young earth creationism is wrong.
One of the many, many ways.
Sorry, this is incorrect. Speciation can occur very quickly, we just don’t observe any changes happening amongst people for the last supposed 50,000 years.