(May 4, 2020 at 11:12 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:God could create a Universe either way, with or without free will. I don't believe blind forces can create a Universe in which free will is possible. And truth be told, I don't think blind forces can create a Universe period. But either way I believe the only way we could have free will is if God created the Universe. So therefore(May 4, 2020 at 10:54 pm)cleansed Wrote: The determining factor would be in how the Universe was created.Not between a fatalist universe and a determinist universe. However either universe was created it would still be whatever it is. A Fatalist universe created by a god is still a fatalist universe. A determinist universe created by a god is still a determinist universe. So on and so forth.
Quote:If it was created by blind forces, then free will is impossible.Why would that be the deciding factor? If we live in a universe where blind forces created free will, then it would still be a universe where free will existed, wouldn't it?
If it was created by a transcendent God, then free will is possible.
If God does not exist free will is impossible
Free will is possible
Therefore God exists
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