RE: The Struggle to do Good
June 7, 2020 at 12:03 am
(This post was last modified: June 7, 2020 at 12:15 am by brokenreflector.)
Quote:No not at all I said morality would be subjective if it depended on the existence of god.
This is why I have trouble taking many atheists seriously.
Your conclusion comes from either bad reasoning or intellectual dishonesty.
What you're essentially saying is one of God's properties (moral nature) is contingent upon God's existence; therefore, God's moral nature is subjective.
But that's like saying all the properties of the mathematical equation 2 + 2 = 4 are contingent upon the existence of the mathematical equation 2 + 2 = 4; therefore, those properties must be subjective.
That's false in both instances. If the thing in question exists in all possible worlds, including the actual world, then the things properties also exist in all possible worlds, including the actual world. This means the properties of the thing in question are also objective. This is because properties are just descriptions of a thing.
You also don't seem to understand what necessary means. Something is necessary when its existence isn't contingent upon anything external. The properties of a thing wouldn't constitute as something external, but internal (or intrinsic) to the thing that the properties are describing.
(June 7, 2020 at 12:01 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Please answer my question: do you need a God to stop you from murder? I don't.
If God doesn't exist, then that means your faculties and intuitions have come from an unguided and mindless natural process.
So my question to you is do you need an unguided and mindless natural process to stop you from murdering people?
