The Struggle to do Good

[The Architect Of Fate]

If God doesn't exist, then that would just be your opinion that may or may not be shared by the majority of people.

An opinion produced by a bag of skin and bones. A bag of skin and bones that didn't have to exist that is the byproduct of a mindless natural process that didn't have to exist that just so happens to be pointed towards increasing the survivability of species rather than what is true.

On the other hand, if God does exist, then these principles that you admit are "not just our opinion" would be ultimately grounded in the first, necessary, and maximally powerful being.

Can you demonstrate a god, any god? Of course you cannot.

So why should anyone here accept YOUR god above the countless thousands of claimed gods?

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It wouldn't be merely an opinion if it is grounded in God's existence because God is by definition a necessary being.

Super. Then I can claim that universe forming pixies are necessary. So what?

In philosophy, a necessary being is one that cannot fail to exist.

The universe forming pixies cannot fail to exist since without them, there would be no universe.

In other words, if God were intrinsically different in any possible world, then He wouldn't be a necessary being. This means God's moral values are the same in every possible world.

What are "god's" moral values? And how do you know them?

To use an analogy, 2 + 2 = 4 is true in all possible worlds, including the actual world. That's why 2 + 2 = 4 is objectively true. Its truth isn't contingent upon anything external.

It is trivial to demonstrate that 2 + 2 = 4. Can you demonstrate a god, any god at all? Of course you cannot.

The same is true for God and His properties.

What properties? Thug? Genocidal maniac? Failed parent? Which?

But if God doesn't exist, then there's no such kind of foundation for moral values. What's odd is The Grand Nudger seems to think there is such a foundation, despite not believing in the existence of God.

That would be a flat out lie. Why must you lie?

Are you seriously suggesting that you want to rape murder and pillage everywhere and the only thing preventing you is a magic book?

The silly Ontological arguments Theists trot out