RE: Overpopulation
October 26, 2011 at 6:30 pm
(This post was last modified: October 26, 2011 at 6:31 pm by Violet.)
Ace Wrote:Then why are our reservoirs drying out?Inefficiency.
Ace Wrote:Yes rainful replenishes reservoirs, but we take too much from reservoirs. Plus a warmer climate reduces rainfall.
So make the water in the atmosphere your new reservoir.
Quote:Your source of meat and milk disappears.
And that is a good thing, according to the China Study. Wheee: science for you.
Quote:Highly expensive as it takes a lot of energy, plus it won't be enough.
Expensive means nothing to a syndicate, and it means little when there are trillions scrounged up by multinationals. It could cost several trillion dollars a year... and still not impact the world's treasury significantly.
Quote:That's a step in the right direction but doesn't solve the problem.
It does, since unwasted water is... unwasted.
Quote:Never suggested that.
No, but depending on where they sweat (ie: coal mine) it might not get back to the 'system' for so many years it doesn't even matter. Water is 'wasted' in such a case. On the other hand... next to no water is 'wasted' on the space station

Quote:Many countries have already engaged in recycling waste. A good step.
Are these the same ones also polluting salmon-spawning rivers?


Quote:One requires a lot of resources, advance technology and time. They both are impractical and hugely expensive.
Neither are impractical. The first requires not so many more resources than surface land as to be unfeasible (and has many benefits associated, such as reduced intensity of the sun, no adverse weather, and controlled water application). Expenses are irrelevant in a world determined to adapt.
Quote:You're only delaying the problem. That tactic has already been used. It's still in use. We need a solution not a delay.
Has it? There are 600,000 people in alaska. There is 1 person per square MILE of territory there. There's a HELL of a lot more space.
Quote:Space won't matter, water is the first to run out. Farms do however take huge amounts of space and a lot of water.
3/4ths of this planet (or some shitty fraction) is covered in water. 40 years to find a way to drink it with the current technological explosion? Yeah... I am so not fucking worried.
Quote:Converting sea water is hugely expensive and only delays the problem. It doesn't solve it.
Expenses... do not... matter. FFS. It delays the problem to the point where we can drink OCEANS of water. We are then using THE OTHER 97% OF THIS PLANET'S WATER. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_distr...n_on_Earth Problem... fucking... solved.
Quote:Many colostral bodies contain much water. Don't know how to collect it yet. But even if we did, it would cost trillions.
Then lets spend trillions. Is 'colostral' some english word? I have no idea what the fuck you're on about.
Quote:We can convert salt water to fresh, but it's extremely expensive. It also doesn't solve the problem. Also doomsayers as you call them, not all are wrong. Religious wackos, I'd ignore and laugh at any day. They assert without evidence. Naturalists on the other hand, tend to have first hand experience with decades of research with the backing of scientists. Some warnings must be heeded.
It's currently expensive. It might not be expensive in 40 years. There might be other methods developed in those 40 years.
What is the problem if it isn't that we don't have enough water and space? We have enough water. We have enough space. What the fuck is the problem?

Maybe not every doomsayer is wrong... but it certainly isn't because of anything more than unadulterated LUCK. I don't care if they have the fucking encyclopedia britanica as evidence for their predictions: DIVINATION IS NOT A SCIENCE. And every one of them that pretends otherwise is a crackpot.
Quote:How can we adapt without water? Try this, go a whole week without water and let me know how well you adapted to it. Starving Africans go through it all the time. They don't live for very long.
'Without water'... you use that like there is no more water. There's always ((roughly?) the same amount of) water. The problem is not none of it... it's not enough of it. As with not having enough food to eat 15 meals a day: you can adapt to not having a lot of something.
Quote:I wish you were right. But our reservoirs say different.
I am right, since you can't run out of water. You can fail to find enough to use it as you used to, but you can never run out (on a global scale).
Quote:Like I said, life depends on water. Without it, it dies.
Not all life depends on water, but that's besides the point. We cannot have no water. Unless you have a way to strip our atmosphere and oceans... and then frankly we've got other problems.
Quote:Doesn't have to for us. But being blind to the ever growing problem will be our undoing.
Won't be. Will not be. I say 'our problem' is inefficiencies and flawed systems... overpopulation is a fantasy for a world as is in a future unmodified by a billion more people's efforts. I call bullshit on it.
Quote:Then we are forced to repeat our mistakes.
We aren't forced to do that any more than we are forced to beat our heads against a brick wall. Is someone holding a gun at your head or something?
Quote:No, that's a bad thing. Planet warms up, ice caps melt, ocean rises, less land, less space...you get the picture.
Oceans rise... barely?

I don't get the picture. I see that as only a good thing. It's the violent weather coming with it that concerns me.
Quote:Somethings we cannot adapt to. We have our limitations.
I'm going to say 'false' on that entire statement. Some billions of years in the future... the only things we might not be able to do are defy logic and break math. 40 years in the future? I see no reason we can't adapt to a higher population and a warmer more turbulent climate.
Also... ever heard of levvies? They keep whole countries from going under already, and a whole state

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Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
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