(October 26, 2011 at 7:14 pm)padraic Wrote: Why on earth would I waste my time trying to debate an apologist? I consider them intellectually dishonest. Such people argue from a position of personal certitude, unwilling/unable to concede the possibility of any error in their basic position.IE the existence of god as a given. I do not accept that given,so there is no basis for discussion.
My position is simple; I make no claims.,the believer does. I do not accept that the existence of god(s) can be established by reason alone.,I demand evidence.Either show me some credible evidence to support your claims or piss off.
Nor do I conflate winning a debate or argument with being right necessarily.
I could say "Why on earth would I waste my time trying to debate an atheist? I find most of them to be blind followers of whatever science tells them without really looking into it and forming their own ideas." However, I'm assuming that that's not you in any way shape or form. And I'm simply here to get a discussion or debate going so that I can understand an atheistic viewpoint and how it conflicts with my viewpoint by actually discussing the topic rather than just going off of what I'm told is the difference. As I stated earlier I'm not trying to persuade or reason anyone to conversion.
I am full on willing to accept the fact that I may be wrong and if its proven that I'm wrong then I'll accept that fact and move on with my life. I'm not an ignorant Christian who denies that i make mistakes in my reasoning. However, you must follow through with your own logic, you say you need credible evidence to believe God's existence yet you claim you do not accept God's existence as a given without giving credible evidence as to why.
As for the last statement, I agree winning an argument or debate doesn't mean your right about everything that was said.
