RE: Christians what would change your mind?
August 18, 2020 at 11:01 am
(This post was last modified: August 18, 2020 at 11:38 am by The Grand Nudger.)
@tackattack
I love your idea for a better society, but..as you seem to be aware, it's not a society based on vicarious redemption. Is there anywhere on earth that asserts that a parking ticket is worth x amount of dead palestinians? Is there anywhere on earth that asserts a civil servants death will do anything to the issues that they failed to resolve in life?
If you had issues with god and infants, the manner in which you resolve this will likely be the same. Assert that a good god must need or do evil for some greater good. That rationale is serviceable - but it answers the question I asked by it's assertion. Do you think that vicarious redemption is the (or even a) moral choice? No. You think it's an immoral choice with value as an instrumental good to some desired end.
I've done and believed in bad things on account of loving people too. I can relate.
I prefer to consider what things would be true if such potential matters were true. Christian moral degeneracy, for example. Earth as a meatgrinding soul forge, that sort of thing. How and why it would be wrong even if...especially if..it were true.
I love your idea for a better society, but..as you seem to be aware, it's not a society based on vicarious redemption. Is there anywhere on earth that asserts that a parking ticket is worth x amount of dead palestinians? Is there anywhere on earth that asserts a civil servants death will do anything to the issues that they failed to resolve in life?
If you had issues with god and infants, the manner in which you resolve this will likely be the same. Assert that a good god must need or do evil for some greater good. That rationale is serviceable - but it answers the question I asked by it's assertion. Do you think that vicarious redemption is the (or even a) moral choice? No. You think it's an immoral choice with value as an instrumental good to some desired end.
I've done and believed in bad things on account of loving people too. I can relate.
(August 18, 2020 at 10:13 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: On a personal note, when I was a theist I did look for evidence that I was wrong, that's why I'm an atheist. Now that I'm an atheist I would be very interested in learning of any evidence that the theistic claims of any religion or holy scripture are actually true. My commitment has always been to understand what is true about such potentially important matters.
I prefer to consider what things would be true if such potential matters were true. Christian moral degeneracy, for example. Earth as a meatgrinding soul forge, that sort of thing. How and why it would be wrong even if...especially if..it were true.
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