[Serious] Christians what would change your mind?

[Mister Agenda]

vicarious redemption is practiced in any selfless act. You sacrifice yourself for other's wants/needs. It's also practiced in societies that sacrifice the one for the many ie. the death penalty.  Just because someone practices the sacrifice for the many does not necessarily absolve personal accountability. I believe this part is where we differ the most. To restate your position for my clarity, I believe you claim that no society practices exemption from accountability based on vicarious sacrifice. ??

None of that redeems other people's sins. If I help someone, they're helped, end of story. If someone is executed for their crimes, that does not absolve anyone else. The person (hopefully) guilty of the crimes is held accountable and if they are not guilty their punishment still does nothing to absolve the real criminal, it just means they got away with their crimes. These things are not examples of vicarious redemption. The death penalty may be a bad idea but is not a human sacrifice for the purpose of absolving unpunished but guilty people.

I suppose there are still cultures that practice literal scapegoating or still have 'sin eaters', that may be more what you're looking for.