RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
August 21, 2020 at 3:42 pm
(This post was last modified: August 21, 2020 at 4:10 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(August 21, 2020 at 1:32 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:We agree on the content. You don't believe that everyone will be saved.(August 21, 2020 at 1:03 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Children refuse to take their antibiotics too. There's no pass here, anywhere, for your god.
Unless you specifically want to discuss how salvation applies to minors or individuals who are cognitively compromised, you are misrepresenting my beliefs. Emergency Medical Services do not view children refusing service as equivalent to adults refusing service, for obvious reasons.
Don't say we agree on the content of what's happening and then go to lengths to change my analogy.
You offer legal reasons as an explanation for your failure to help, I won't find such reasons credible in the case of a god nor can they answer an objection to doing a bad thing. I find the bad thing you deem acceptable - for reasons - unacceptable for the same reason that you find torture and annihilation unacceptable, and for the same reason you would find a human failure to help unacceptable. A consistent application of the comments you offered, from your cult, would deem this to be as unacceptable as the object of it's own consideration.
How repugnant, then, to those same notions of love and mercy, and even to our sense of justice, is the doctrine that god fails to help the the wicked dead; that for the sins of a brief, earthly life they are to be left to die in spirit.
We can agree about the contents of a superstition - and we do, and disagree about whether or not worship is appropriate - which we do. I simply do not have to be wrong about any aspect of your faith in order to object to it, and I'm not. This is why the constant refrain from the faithful...that so and so has their beliefs all wrong, is fruitless. The underlying belief, intuitively pleasing to christians (and obviously to you) is that a non-believers objections must depend on them being wrong, or just not knowing something. That if they understood things correctly, they would not object. This is a trivially false belief. My very correct understanding that you believe god to be a savior, and that only some will be saved, is why I object.
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