(November 23, 2020 at 4:31 pm)Aegon Wrote:(November 23, 2020 at 12:32 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Go one step further -
What if you incarcerate an innocent person?
Many people think prison is worse than death.
Should we just scrap the penal system?
Well, I have quite a bit to say about the American penal system in particular, but... if you don't already see the astronomical difference between the state wrongfully sentencing a man to 10 years with parole vs. the state wrongfully ending his one, only life on the planet Earth, I doubt I'll be able to explain it to you.
I can accept the state's power to imprison. However, whether we the people should permit the state the ability to legally kill as punishment for a crime is an entirely different discussion with different philosophical considerations.
(November 23, 2020 at 2:04 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: I'm against the death penalty always.
I think prisons should be humane always. To this end they should be run by the government not a corporation!
Humans are worthwhile from an ROI perspective so even those that should not be free can be useful.
We should exploit them for labor like we do now.
This would give us the opportunity to release a wrongfully incarcerated person as well as get use from properly incarcerated people.
Prisons should be both humane and exploit prisoners for labor? How are you reconciling those two ideas? Exploiting prisoners for their labor is quite literally legal slavery. Don't believe me? Give the 13th amendment another read.
Yes, they are good for something and if done properly it will give them a sense of purpose. Much better than killing them wouldn't you agree? So avoid immediately trying to mischaracterize something into a flimsy dog whistle please.
The same could be said of wage slavery and I largely agree with that too. Disabuse yourself of your perfect world where nobody exploits anyone else. We are all exploiters and we are all exploited. Don't believe that? Well, you're not paying attention.
I work for Intel a very humane company to work for and it gives me a sense of purpose in my life as well as money to live on. I am producing much value for the company and they are exploiting that while NOT passing all that value back to me. Wage slavery. That is just the way it is. I would like to change it, I'm not sure how.
