(November 26, 2020 at 2:08 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:(November 25, 2020 at 4:58 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: In short, the universe looks exactly as we would expect it to look if it were not designed.
Do you really rethink this stuff before sending it, or are you just interested in writing elegant sentences ? You do realize that if you consider everything you see as not enough evidence for design, then nothing can possibly convince you of design, and your position becomes virtually unfalsifiable. If physical constants tuned to about 120 decimal places aren't enough evidence supporting design for your pathetic "standards of evidence", then your position really isn't an honest one.
And here lies the problem of presupposing the existence of a god.
You are making the assumption, that life, and humans, are the result of a goal. And that the universe, the way it exists, was designed for the goal of creating life.
Instead of the very likely possibility, and probability, that life exists, because the parameters of the universe we find ourselves in, is such that life can arise and be sustained.
Please tell us all how you eliminated any of the following:
1. There have been, and will be, billions upon billions of universes, all with varying parameters and conditions. Some of these universes will have conditions that allow life to arise, and others will not.
2. This is the only universe ever to exist, but the parameters and conditions are the only possible way a universe could exist.
3. Your presupposition of the existence of a god has biased you so much, that you are only able to see design, even when it most likely does not exist.
Quote:Furthermore, you can't possibly prove the negative assertion "the universe isn't designed", and thus you have zero observation of "undesigned universes", if such a thing exists.
We don't have to prove the universe wasn't designed. The burden of proof is all yours.
I am not making the claim that the universe was not designed, my position is, that theists have never been able to support their claim, that it was designed. Until you or other theists are able to do so, I will remain unconvinced that it was designed.
I know the following may sound like an argument from authority (although it is not), but how do you explain the very high percentage (close to 80%) of physicists that are atheists? After all, they've dedicated their lives to studying this stuff, and the vast majority of them reject your claim of design.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.