The absurd need for logical proofs for God

[The Grand Nudger]

Why not?  Why aren't blind or unconscious processes supposed to yield conscious beings?

because they are ... UNconscious ? It's good to splash your face with cold water from time to time, you know.. to pay more attention to prefixes and all.
Are monkeys randomly typing on a keyboard for 100 years supposed to produce one of Shakespeare's plays ? ..... you guessed it, no.

The fact of unconscious process being...unconscious.... isn't in dispute.  I'm asking you why they aren't supposed to yield conscious things.

Can you elaborate on that?

Additionally...monkeys are conscious beings, Kloro. You're one of them. So was Shakespeare, and it didn't take him a hundred years..........? It wouldn't surprise me in the least if another monkey thrashed out a story like one of his..mostly because that's happened thousands of times. It would surprise the shit out of me if rocks wrote stories, and if they wrote stories that their stories were like a monkey's stories. Ditto with gods writing stories, and their stories being like monkey stories - like our stories..like your magic book.

Additionally, why do you keep babbling about blind unconscious processes as we discuss life?

Because it's really unlikely that these unconscious, lifeless processes would produce life if there was no agent planning all this ahead.

Why is it really unlikely, and can I see some math on that probability? As it stands, the probability appears to be 1in1, unity. Here we are, the known product of unconscious process, consciously apprehending as much....regardless of whether any god exists, and if so, is your god.

Has it ever occurred to you that the fact of conscious beings arising from unconscious process is a better argument for your hidden god and his mysterious plans? Maybe the plan was to let nature take it's course? Could have gone another way. Did go another way for so much life. Aren't you grateful for having life when so many have died? That would certainly explain why it looks like nature, and not god, is taking it's course. That would certainly explain why you're incapable of avoiding natural teleology in your god assertions. It would give some sense to this world being the only kind of world where we could never deduce a god. I ask you to consider this fact because you've referred to lifes' grand design as a fact which informs you of the existence of a god, or the probability of the existence of a god. You cannot insist that this is so - while simultaneously insisting that the grand design of life..evolutionary biology..isn't so. This either is or isn't a fact - which is informing you. Things appear to be adapted to their ends and this makes teleology comprehensible. If you want to dispute this as a fact - it cannot be a fact which informs you.

As a bonus, a god that can create unconscious processes which can create conscious processes is greater than a god who has to make every installation himself. A being capable of laying aside it's own interests to let such a process play out is infinitely more capable and wise and praiseworthy than a warlords lucky totem.