(December 15, 2020 at 1:19 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Either starving you and killing your kid is a means of improvement, or it's not. If it is, we can continue, if it's not, then we've answered the question already.
Yes - I think it's an impasse then.
Starvation may not lead directly to improvement but I don't think that's enough to rule out option 4.
The reason I think it's not enough is because there could exist things in option 4 that are not all related to improvement - these items may be undesireable but necessary to exist if a higher opposite path is to be possible.
So the framing of the question is, as I see it, not accurate.